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Studied history in college, and just generally before that. Also it's been just a general area of interest for me in life, to look at US history from the 1800's on in the US, and 1900's and on in europe.

Hate to sound like a tin foil wearing conspiracy theorist, but take a good look at the rise of fascism... might serve to answer a lot of questions for you
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Eh, while I do think we should have gun rights, some of those sources are questionable and use different sets of data decades apart. For example the self defense incident total vs. murders, accidents and suicides are from two different sources, fifteen years apart. I would also consider the CDC stats more reliable than Gary Kleck's study. A more important statistic is that most gun related deaths are due to suicides, not violent crimes, and this indicates that mental health should be a greater issue than the presence of guns.

Also, there's a lot of cherry picking going on up there, which paints the wrong story. You can't really claim that it is allowing/disallowing guns that leads/does not lead to crime, but rather that violence is a function of violent societies and how well laws are enforced (e.g. Venezuela). That in itself makes for a strong argument that while guns are definitely used in many crimes, forbidding or taking away guns doesn't imply a safer society, and may in fact work against it. The points made in the poster above seem to indicate that there's a cause and effect, rather than showing that blaming guns for the ills of society is just scapegoating.
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We have strict Gun Laws in Australia. After they made the reforms many firearms were handed into the Government. Strict laws are now in place that govern they way Guns and Ammunition must be stored under lock and key in separate metal safes. over the last few years shootings in Australia have skyrocketed where before reform it was a rare event. Nearly all shootings here now are organised crime or Gang related. I don't have a Gun but I am well prepared to defend my Home and Family, just have to wait till I can see the whites of their eyes! AMERICA, DO NOT LET YOUR POLITICIANS DISARM YOU! One they have your Guns and abolish the 2nd Amendment they and it will be gone forever and so will your ability to properly defend yourselves and your country!
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Completely agree with what both of your are saying. The data was certainly cherry picked at least to a degree. Also 100% agree that the bigger problem is the issue of mental health, which is not something US does well.

With regard to suicide rates, it's actually rather interesting that Japan, and France, both countries with much stricter gun laws, surpass the US in terms of the number of suicides per 100k.
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We don't have something as good as the Second Amendment in the Philippines. All we've got is something like this in our 1986 Constitution:

"ARTICLE II
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Section 5. The maintenance of peace and order, the protection of life, liberty, and property, and promotion of the general welfare are essential for the enjoyment by all the people of the blessings of democracy."

In a nutshell, citizens of the Philippines (Filipinos) do not have the right to own firearms. They can, however, apply for the privilege to do so. This is a lot easier said than done. It even used to be just applying for a firearm license before this year. Now we've got to deal with a "license to own and possess" in addition to the license per gun.

One has to secure several local and state court clearances, a firearm handling and safety certificate, psychological evaluations, proof of billing address, income tax return/certificate of employment, among other requirements.

After the payments, approval, and waiting period, congratulations! We can now take the unit home. And keep it there. What? What good is that? (Castle doctrine does not exist here--if the criminal runs and we shoot, we're jailed) Welcome to the "Permit to Carry Firearms Outside Residence" or PTCFOR. This one requires a similar amount of documentation, plus, a threat assessment by the local police station verifying that you, a citizen who should be enjoying protection of life, are indeed under imminent threat of being shot, stabbed, hurt, or anything serious enough to warrant carrying a firearm by your side outside your home.

It's sick, but the majority of citizens in this country feel that the National Police can effectively protect everyone, as if it was an obligation! What's worse is the general uneasiness of the Filipino public to more liberal concealed carry.

Remember I mentioned about that PTCFOR? People go to great lengths just to have one, either the legal way or through a fixer. But all it takes is for one local politician to get shot or killed, and just like clockwork, all PTCFORs in the province/state are immediately suspended for about six months. What kind of logic is that?

Well guys, I really do have to apologize since I didn't tell you in advance that this was a rant. But believe me, I do envy the rights your Constitution has empowered you with. I hope to live to see the day when my country opens its eyes to more widespread, responsible gun ownership.

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I own one rifle, have never shot it but received EE in the military for pistol and rifle so I have some idea of how to use it. I don't own it for protection against burglars or other such criminal threats as it would likely take too long to get the thing, load it and then protect myself with it, but I do want to have it in case this world goes very very wrong. The most likely thing I expect to come soon is a government getting out of hand and killing their own citizens to maintain power.
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I own one rifle, have never shot it but received EE in the military for pistol and rifle so I have some idea of how to use it. I don't own it for protection against burglars or other such criminal threats as it would likely take too long to get the thing, load it and then protect myself with it, but I do want to have it in case this world goes very very wrong. The most likely thing I expect to come soon is a government getting out of hand and killing their own citizens to maintain power.
Any other person say that and I would call the a complete out of their mind fool. But doesn't surprise me coming from you.
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Yea, but you might end up looking like that when things go very wrong in this country, many people are already near the breaking point with our government who are out of control in many areas already, if you don't see that for yourself, you are ignoring it or perhaps just too busy surviving to see it. I wonder if there will be a civil war in this country in the end myself, I'm not alone with wondering that.
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You know what I see? Millions of people who are oblivious, millions more who are aware of this corrupt government and more figuring it out every day- however they know they have essentially no influence on what happens in this country. Then I see a small amount of people who live in the woods with there guns for "when the giverment tries to kill us" and their 'murica paraphernalia and their tin foil hats.

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Sorry Crazy, I can't see. I've learned not to read your posts.
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Yea, but you might end up looking like that when things go very wrong in this country, many people are already near the breaking point with our government who are out of control in many areas already, if you don't see that for yourself, you are ignoring it or perhaps just too busy surviving to see it. I wonder if there will be a civil war in this country in the end myself, I'm not alone with wondering that.
I live in Canada, so I really don't have to worry to much. Our government is nowhere near perfect, but thats just because we've elected some incompetent people, not because of any sinister plots.

Really, outsider looking in, the only people I see bitching about the government are the ones who are old fashioned and don't like the idea of change, so its less an actual conspiracy going on and more likely people making stuff up to express their displeasure.

It feels (at least to me, remember outsider looking in) that if a civil war erupts in the US it will likely be those people resisting change who will start it, not the government.
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I hope you are right, that would be a wonderful future compared to the anarchy many believe might come someday.
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