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Well, i have my location on my profile so if you can't see thats not my problem. By the way I would rather be shot than stabbed.
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As long as you both are enjoying yourselves, no harm no foul. Paint me furry and slap a tail on me, it appears I am a jackass
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Well, i have my location on my profile so if you can't see thats not my problem. By the way I would rather be shot than stabbed.
I'm MUCH rather be stabbed then shot... Bullets do alot of internal damage when compared 1:1 to knifes. I live without the thought of having to defend myself, maybe that's why my viewpoint is so different.
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I'm MUCH rather be stabbed then shot... Bullets do alot of internal damage when compared 1:1 to knifes. I live without the thought of having to defend myself, maybe that's why my viewpoint is so different.
Americans see guns in a different view of the rest.
They see them like something used in personal defense, or even something fun.
But I see them like killing machines, made for killing. And if someone tries to attack me and I have a gun, I really think I won't be able to shoot them.
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You need to respect guns, but dont be so afraid. Where I live there are many guns sold only for sport, and others for defense. I have many guns myself. Some for hunting, some for defense, some just for fun/shooting in range/collecting.

And guns dont automatically kill. Whether you shoot to warn, wound, or kill is up to you.

I think all the hype about kip is overblown.
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They are not killing machines. I believe guns are great for hunting. I want to see an anti gun person kill a deer without a gun (and no bows or crossbows as those are "killing machines") guns are extremely useful and can be used for many different non violent things. Rather a gun then a knife for personal defense
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But I see them like killing machines, made for killing. And if someone tries to attack me and I have a gun, I really think I won't be able to shoot them.
No, i dont look at guns like this. I see that they can be used for fun/recreation and i do participate in hunting and target shooting. If somebody attack me with intent of killing me, i would have no problem ending their life. However i feel safer knowing that nobody near me has a semi automatic rifle in particular. My view on these type of guns is that they are capable of TOO much power to be easily had as it seems in america by any person with $$ (Including mentally ill people it seems)
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Ban guns. Since they are illegal, the criminals won't use them.

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We should make murder illegal too.
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But I see them like killing machines, made for killing. And if someone tries to attack me and I have a gun, I really think I won't be able to shoot them.
Sometimes people need to be killed. That's an unfortunate aspect of life and without those willing to KILL the bad guys the whole system would fall apart. Bad guys would just take whatever they want whenever they want it because everyone thinks it's WRONG to kill or something.
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No, i dont look at guns like this. I see that they can be used for fun/recreation and i do participate in hunting and target shooting. If somebody attack me with intent of killing me, i would have no problem ending their life. However i feel safer knowing that nobody near me has a semi automatic rifle in particular. My view on these type of guns is that they are capable of TOO much power to be easily had as it seems in america by any person with $$ (Including mentally ill people it seems)
Semi-auto rifles account for less than 1% of our overall firearms deaths here in America. There's the occasional massacre here and there, but overall they're statistically a non issue. Also you don't even need them to go on a rampage. Recently we had some nut kill a bunch of people on a navy base with a plane old shotgun. 2 Islamic nuts bombed the boston marathon with pressure cookers filled with blackpowder. Homicidal maniacs will find a way to kill with or without the gun. All taking away the guns does is disarm the law abiding citizens.
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No, i dont look at guns like this. I see that they can be used for fun/recreation and i do participate in hunting and target shooting. If somebody attack me with intent of killing me, i would have no problem ending their life. However i feel safer knowing that nobody near me has a semi automatic rifle in particular. My view on these type of guns is that they are capable of TOO much power to be easily had as it seems in america by any person with $$ (Including mentally ill people it seems)
Toe-to-toe in most building environments I'd consider the guy with the semi-auto pistol more dangerous than the moron trying to shoot people at close range with a rifle -- semi-automatic or not. There's a reason pistol-like submachine-guns, bullpup-style rifles, etc. were created, and the same reasons why the US does not allow short-barrel rifles or shotguns: their small size and maneuverability makes them far more effective than having to stare down the barrel of your hunting rifle to kill someone.

And yet what is the most common gun? The semi-automatic pistol. The same weapon that someone can hide in his pocket or belt and kill at realistic engagement ranges. The weapon that is responsible for the supermajority of deaths and injuries involving guns.

Someone trying to home-invade with a hunting rifle is either a buffoon, or can't afford something better. I wouldn't even expect to ever encounter a rube like in a self-defense or home-invasion incident because hunting rifles, even "military style" types are awful for that kind of stuff. That idiot would be far more open to being taken down by a pistol-wielding homeowner than if he had a pistol. Imagine swinging that heavy rifle around, obscuring your vision by aiming down the barrel, compared to flicking out your pistol and planting rounds into the assailant. Even the ammunition used by those rifles are ineffective, as those rifles are designed for long-distance hunting, not taking down assailants in close quarters like self-defense hand-guns.

So again, this whole "assault weapon" issue is a huge red herring. Besides two high-profile incidents, perpetrated by mentally ill murderers, involving many different guns, these "assault weapons" aren't causing issues, and were probably poor choices by the perpetrators. The Navy Yard shooter was far more effective with his $425 pump-action shotgun that held only 5-rounds, than the two murderers with their AR-15s: in Sandy Hook (155 rounds for 28 dead, most being stationary at point blank) and Aurora (one shotgun shot and 45 rounds from a 100-round magazine which jammed for 12 dead). So who is going to ban the deadly hunting shotguns? Or is it all about the scary-looking weapons?
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They are not killing machines. I believe guns are great for hunting. I want to see an anti gun person kill a deer without a gun (and no bows or crossbows as those are "killing machines") guns are extremely useful and can be used for many different non violent things. Rather a gun then a knife for personal defense
I think killing or hunting an animal is killing too.
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I lived in Japan for several years. I didn't live in fear, in fact I had to COMPLETELY chance my mentality when I came back to America. I didn't have to worry about walking at night alone, or being in the "wrong place" They don't allow guns in Japan. The police carry extendable rods that are simply terrifying. But you know what, I didn't feel like I needed a weapon to protect me. It's a different culture. I'm not saying crime doesn't happen, but it certainly wasn't at the rate that it happens here. In the last 8 months my house has been broken into 3 times...

After coming back I had the fear of other Americans. We are a violent society. I see both sides to the gun debate. Sure we "need" our guns to protect us from our own government. But in other countries they trust their governments much more than we do.
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