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"I JUST F***ING SHOT MYSELF"

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Couldn't help but to laugh. Good of him to post the video of his mistake. Unfortunately mistakes do happen.

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Brought to you by the same guys in favor of taking away guns...

Gestapo' tactics meet senior citizens at Yellowstone
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NEWBURYPORT — Pat Vaillancourt went on a trip last week that was intended to showcase some of America’s greatest treasures.

Instead, the Salisbury resident said she and others on her tour bus witnessed an ugly spectacle that made her embarrassed, angry and heartbroken for her country.

Vaillancourt was one of thousands of people who found themselves in a national park as the federal government shutdown went into effect on Oct. 1. For many hours her tour group, which included senior citizen visitors from Japan, Australia, Canada and the United States, were locked in a Yellowstone National Park hotel under armed guard.

The tourists were treated harshly by armed park employees, she said, so much so that some of the foreign tourists with limited English skills thought they were under arrest.

When finally allowed to leave, the bus was not allowed to halt at all along the 2.5-hour trip out of the park, not even to stop at private bathrooms that were open along the route.

“We’ve become a country of fear, guns and control,” said Vaillancourt, who grew up in Lawrence. “It was like they brought out the armed forces. Nobody was saying, ‘we’re sorry,’ it was all like — ” as she clenched her fist and banged it against her forearm.

Vaillancourt took part in a nine-day tour of western parks and sites along with about four dozen senior citizen tourists. One of the highlights of the tour was to be Yellowstone, where they arrived just as the shutdown went into effect.

Rangers systematically sent visitors out of the park, though some groups that had hotel reservations — such as Vaillancourt’s — were allowed to stay for two days. Those two days started out on a sour note, she said.

The bus stopped along a road when a large herd of bison passed nearby, and seniors filed out to take photos. Almost immediately, an armed ranger came by and ordered them to get back in, saying they couldn’t “recreate.” The tour guide, who had paid a $300 fee the day before to bring the group into the park, argued that the seniors weren’t “recreating,” just taking photos.

“She responded and said, ‘Sir, you are recreating,’ and her tone became very aggressive,” Vaillancourt said.


The seniors quickly filed back onboard and the bus went to the Old Faithful Inn, the park’s premier lodge located adjacent to the park’s most famous site, Old Faithful geyser. That was as close as they could get to the famous site — barricades were erected around Old Faithful, and the seniors were locked inside the hotel, where armed rangers stayed at the door.

“They looked like Hulk Hogans, armed. They told us you can’t go outside,” she said. “Some of the Asians who were on the tour said, ‘Oh my God, are we under arrest?’ They felt like they were criminals.”

By Oct. 3 the park, which sees an average of 4,500 visitors a day, was nearly empty. The remaining hotel visitors were required to leave.

As the bus made its 2.5-hour journey out of Yellowstone, the tour guide made arrangements to stop at a full-service bathroom at an in-park dude ranch he had done business with in the past. Though the bus had its own small bathroom, Vaillancourt said seniors were looking for a more comfortable place to stop. But no stop was made — Vaillancourt said the dude ranch had been warned that its license to operate would be revoked if it allowed the bus to stop. So the bus continued on to Livingston, Mont., a gateway city to the park.

The bus trip made headlines in Livingston, where the local newspaper Livingston Enterprise interviewed the tour guide, Gordon Hodgson, who accused the park service of “Gestapo tactics.”

“The national parks belong to the people,” he told the Enterprise. “This isn’t right.”

Calls to Yellowstone’s communications office were not returned, as most of the personnel have been furloughed.

Many of the foreign visitors were shocked and dismayed by what had happened and how they were treated, Vaillancourt said.

“A lot of people who were foreign said they wouldn’t come back (to America),” she said.

The National Parks’ aggressive actions have spawned significant criticism in western states. Governors in park-rich states such as Arizona have been thwarted in their efforts to fund partial reopenings of parks. The Washington Times quoted an unnamed Park Service official who said park law enforcement personnel were instructed to “make life as difficult for people as we can. It’s disgusting.”

The experience brought up many feelings in Vaillancourt. What struck her most was a widely circulated story about a group of World War II veterans who were on a trip to Washington, D.C., to see the World War II memorial when the shutdown began. The memorial was barricaded and guards were posted, but the vets pushed their way in.

That reminded her of her father, a World War II veteran who spent three years in a Japanese prisoner of war camp.

“My father took a lot of crap from the Japanese,” she recalled, her eyes welling with tears. “Every day they made him bow to the Japanese flag. But he stood up to them.

“He always said to stand up for what you believe in, and don’t let them push you around,” she said, adding she was sad to see “fear, guns and control” turned on citizens in her own country.
Question... how much more more do these measures cost, in overtime to armed thugs, then it would to simply not do anything?

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IE: that's not the point. The point is that we, as Americans, should be ashamed of our government's actions, esp. the Republican Party shutting down the Federal government. The obvious solution is to just give more money to our government and elect Obamma to a third, and indefinite term!
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@BShanahan - Well... we agree about the first part of what you wrote
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The video is not a fail, society is. Nor is this unique to the US alone.

So of course the top .001% wouldn't want the average joe shmoe to be armed. He might wake up, and get angry.

Of course the lie that's sold to everyone, is that you're not poor. You're just not rich yet. You're not rich right now. But work hard, follow the rules, and you'll get there.

Except that... you won't.

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Meh... America's "poor" are still mostly within the world's top 10% for "wealth" even if it's not actual dollars, in terms of durable goods, food, clothing, housing etc.

Whining about how "rich" the rich are when they're manipulating and chasing paper assets backed by fiat currency, even they don't really spend seeing as one only really bothers to get so many yachts and learjets is kind of a waste of time.

The rich getting richer doesn't make us poorer. The Fed Reserve printing umpteen trillion dollars does. That combined with a zero percent prime interest rate makes it a great time for people who want to manipulate assets to get wealthier, but a craptastic time for those of us who rely on earned income to get ahead.

That's the problem.

The homeless guy sleeping in a box under a freeway notwithstanding, very very few Americans know what it is to be "poor".
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Who do you think pushes for the reserve to keep pumping out money?
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USCON, Ariz. (CBS Las Vegas) - A local senior citizen shot a 22-year-old man after he caught him sleeping beside his wife in their guest house.

According to ABC 15, the unnamed 68-year-old man found Stephen Trevor Chapman, 22, slumbering next to his 63-year-old wife. Authorities told the station that, upon discovering the pair, he woke Chapman by tapping him with a cane and telling him to leave.

Chapman reportedly responded by yelling and refusing to go. Officials with the Pinal County Sheriff’s Office then said that the homeowner, who is said to have Parkinson’s disease, fired what was referred to as a “warning shot” in Chapman’s direction.

The bullet hit a nearby wall, and Chapman sustained a minor hand injury from a stray fragment.

Deputies were soon called to the home, located in a senior community.

“Clearly, this young man should have heeded the warnings of the home owner to leave his residence and to stop sleeping with his wife,” said Sheriff Paul Babeu was quoted as saying. “The young man is lucky that he only got poked with a cane and hit with a stray pellet from the shotgun.”

Chapman was subsequently arrested and is charged with one count of disorderly conduct, ABC 15 learned. More charges are expected.

For the time being, he was reportedly booked to the Pinal County Jail while his case is submitted to the Pinal County Attorney’s Office for further processing.
Police: Man, 68, Shoots At 22-Year-Old Man Upon Finding Him In Bed With Wife CBS Las Vegas

Interesting to note that it was a Sheriff who was in charge of handling the situation, and how it turned out.
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(AP) Calif. Sheriff's deputies shoot, kill 13-year-old
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Northern California sheriff's deputies shot and killed a 13-year-old boy who was carrying a replica assault rifle after repeatedly telling him to drop it, sheriff's officials and family members said.
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A Woodbridge woman was arrested after she shot a handgun into the air to scare off a group of boys who were attacking her daughter.

Lakisha Gaither, 35, said she fired a single round into the sky from her legally registered gun Saturday night after a boy punched her daughter in the face during a dispute near their home.

“I just wanted this group of guys to disperse,” Ms. Gaither said. “I didn’t know what they were going to do. I wanted him to stop hitting my child.”

The shooting occurred at 9:20 p.m. in the 13600 block of Cridercrest Place. After confronting a teenage girl and her mother in the neighborhood over a prior disagreement, Ms. Gaither and her 15-year-old daughter, Brianna Stewart, began walking home. A group of about 10 boys approached them in the parking lot of their apartment complex. One boy began to swear and insult Ms. Gaither and her daughter, who stood up to the boy.
“The two were face to face,” Ms. Gaither said. “He grabs her shirt, she goes to push him off her.”

Ms. Gaither said she realized she’d be putting the both of them at risk if she jumped into the fray.

“I stopped and turned to walk to the middle of the parking lot. I made sure no one was around me,” she said. “I unholstered my gun, pointed it straight in the air and fired just one shot to get him off my child.”

Ms. Gaither said she didn’t try to get away, and police eventually arrived.

“I didn’t feel like I was wrong,” she said. “I wanted to protect my child.”
But officers arrested her and charged her with reckless use of a weapon.

Prince William County police spokesman Officer Jonathan L. Perok said Ms. Gaither “should have called police instead of taking matters into her own hands.”
“You can’t fire into the air,” Officer Perok said. “Once something goes up, it comes down. There’s the possibility of causing property damage, injuring someone or killing someone. In an apartment complex, the odds of that bullet coming down and striking something are very high.”

No injuries or property damage were reported after the incident, but Officer Perok said police do not encourage confrontation and urge gun owners to use their weapons only in what they perceive to be life-threatening situations.
Va. mom charged after firing gun into air to scare off daughter's attackers - Washington Times

So it's ok for cops to gun down a dumb kid, but if a mother protects her daughter, and does so without hurting anyone, that's a crime.
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Doesn't seem fair at all. A double standard to be sure. I wonder if the woman had shot at the ground or just brandished the weapon if that would have made a difference?

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It's a horrible double standard.

All a cop has to do to get away with muder is say the magic words "I FELT THREATENED."

At the same time cops want to be able to watch everything, everyone, all the time.

Yet they resist any and all measures that objectively hold them accountable, or monitor them.

At the same time always arguing that people should not get involved and call the cops. Well, they were called. How long did it take them to get there after the gun shot was fired, and the altercation was peacefully resolved?
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I wonder if the woman had shot at the ground or just brandished the weapon if that would have made a difference?
I wonder this too, as a gunshot can have a very strong effect, just like the gavel in a courtroom is supposed to have. It can't be expected that she has a clip of bullets and a clip of blanks on her at all times whenever she carries, so how would she get the attention of those thugs beating up her daughter? If she beats 'em over the head with the gun, that seems like a worse choice. Shooting one of 'em? even worse.
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I wonder this too, as a gunshot can have a very strong effect, just like the gavel in a courtroom is supposed to have. It can't be expected that she has a clip of bullets and a clip of blanks on her at all times whenever she carries, so how would she get the attention of those thugs beating up her daughter? If she beats 'em over the head with the gun, that seems like a worse choice. Shooting one of 'em? even worse.
Yep, I mean that 68 year old actually injured the 22 year old sleeping with his wife and he wasn't arrested. There doesn't seem to be a standard of any sort. Unless it's just how local jurisdictions choose to handle situations.

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