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Activist arrested after loading shotgun in Freedom Plaza - Washington Times

Adam Kokesh Raided By ?Storm Trooper? Cops Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

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Mr. Kokesh’s blog said that on Tuesday night police raided his home, forcing their way through the front door with a battering ram and detonating a flash grenade in his foyer.
The blog said a light armored vehicle and two low-flying helicopters barricaded the street and that police used dogs in a search that lasted for five hours and involved more than 20 SWAT team members. It said Mr. Kokesh was handcuffed and detained for questioning inside the home, in the 1500 block of Snowflake Court, before being arrested.
The arrest follows the July 4 distribution of 22-second YouTube video, in which Mr. Kokesh is seen loading four shells into a shotgun and pumping a shell into the chamber. D.C. police and Park Police were jointly investigating the incident.
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“Numerous police vehicles, including a light armored vehicle and two low-flying helicopters barricaded Adam’s street. More than 20 armored SWAT team members surrounded the house, as well as a number of detectives, and plainclothes officers. Assault rifles were aimed on all members of the team as they were handcuffed without being told why they were detained. Masked and armored police in full “Storm Trooper” gear flooded in and ransacked the residence. The team was cordoned in a front room, while Adam was pulled aside for questioning.”
Roads around Kokesh’s home, which also contains his broadcast studio, were blocked off and other residents were told to stay indoors. The raid was conducted by Herndon police as well as US Parks Police, an arm of Homeland Security.
Kokesh’s team alleges that police also assaulted Kokesh by kicking him to the floor when he politely asked to use the bathroom. Throughout the ordeal “police repeatedly showed a volatile desire to initiate aggressive, forceful conduct with detainees,” according to the press release.
Cops searched every corner of the residence while confiscating cellphones and personal items “with force”. A safe inside the residence was also forced open and the contents seized.
At around midnight, over four hours after the raid began, police left the premises and Kokesh was taken to Fairfax County Adult Detention Center.
Yes he broke the (however arguable and unconstitutional it is) but what is disturbing, is the amount of force used.

Battering ram, flash bang grenade, light armored vehicle, and multiple SWAT units to serve an arrest for one person, and doing so with extreme violence.

If that's not excessive use, and blatant intimidation, what is?

Meanwhile, the Obama administration, is trying to sidestep failed gun control measures in yet another way.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...96815820130709

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States are encouraged to report to the database the names of people who are not allowed to buy guns because they have been involuntarily committed to a mental hospital, or have been found to have serious mental illnesses by courts.

Many states do not participate. So the administration is looking at changing a health privacy rule - part of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) - to remove one potential barrier.
Since the failed attempt at new gun control legislation, the semi successful attempt to control the flow of ammunition, and create an artificial shortage, the new route by which attempts are being made to control who can buy or own guns, is to just make sure everyone fails the background checks.

Ever took medication for;
-Depression,
-Anxiety,
-Any other mental disorder,

You say no and feel better right?

What about;
-Insomnia?
-Something to relax?

It's a very slippery slope, when all that is required to fail the background check is a name from one department, and the gathering of the name is encouraged, doctors & offices are required to comply, and bureaucrats get to arbitrarily decide who is deemed as belonging on the list that automatically doesn't pass the background check.

The big red herring to this effort?

The fact that the Newton Shooter, already under existing laws, and policies, could not buy guns. He stole them.

The next logical step would be to expand the mental health criteria not just to individuals, but to anyone within the household, after that to family, and after that to known associates, further narrowing the pool of those who can pass background "checks".

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He posted a video of himself not just loading a shotgun, but announcing a call for revolution. And what's up with the Mushrooms?

He set himself up as a domestic terrorist. I have trouble believing he wouldn't see this coming. Is this a publicity stunt?

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He must have known this was going to be the result. There is more going on than just Gun Rights. This will do more harm than good, because it paints Gun Rights Activists as revolutionaries and a threat.

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He did break the law, and set himself up in bad way. The fact that they arrested him is no surprise.

Just the use of force was disproportional. It almost seems like an attempt at provoking a violent response from the man.

From the account of things, I expect if two cops showed up with an arrest warrant he would have gone with them.
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Maybe to send a message too. "Don't try this." The amount of force used seems to be escalating. Remember the Boston Bomber and Sandy Hook manhunts? "In the interests of National Security" all bets are off.

I'm afraid we will be seeing more of this.

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The "don't try this aspect" of law enforcement has always been on the side of law enforcement in the form of sentencing. Harsh sentences given out to people to make examples of them.

If the goal is to convey the message by use of police alone, than the message is police are now judge, jury & executioner.

I say executioner because you can bet they would have shot to kill if he fired in self defense, which would not be an out of bounds reaction when a bunch of armed men storm into the house.
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Absolutely, "lethal force". We will probably see more National Guard and DHS involvement. Can you say Police State.

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Not so much National Guard, but I expect the TSA, and further expansion of the DHS.

You say police state, I say authoritarian regime, and human right violations
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Came across this on my FB feed...

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A scary and dangerous vid Infinitus.

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Isn't this video produced by people of the same political and ideological alignment as those who laughed at the Occupy protestors getting beaten and pepper sprayed by police, saying they deserved it? And they're now using the footage of it to show how Obama's police state is out of hand?

That's... interesting to say the least. Correct me if I'm wrong?

EDIT: Also... I'm pretty sure that's not actually a video put out by Anonymous. Probably just some dude who thinks he speaks for them. That video doesn't match their typical format at all.

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Personally I have issues with Anonymous as well as some of the Politicians in the video. The erosion of our Constitutional Rights is very real though. Major changes have already happened. This is all just the Aftermath as people begin to realize "Change" has already occurred.

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So uhm, there are now "First Amendment Zones".

Police Readying First Amendment Zones To Quell Possible Zimmerman Backlash CBS Miami

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Authorities are encouraging anyone who wants their voice to be heard to gather in these zones, instead of taking to the streets and inciting riots.
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Isn't true you already needed a permit in most locales to have a large rally or protest?

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Incredibly, yes you do. Then again, there are so many laws now that even the government itself is not capable of counting them all, let alone understanding them.

Kind of a screwed up system when there is literally not one person alive who can tell what exactly is legal, and what is not, based on established "laws".

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I mean - your rights end where someone else's begin. If there were huge rallies choking off use of the roads, sidewalks, and other public areas, that would mean some people's first amendment right is stepping on someone else's right to use infrastructure they pay taxes for.

With that in mind, I don't really see a problem with designating areas for protestors.

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