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Yep, on point. I just hope this isn't something to regulate even the sale of parts too

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IRS Promises To Use Their AR-15 Assault Rifles ?Appropriately?

IRS agents are equipped with Assault Rifles now!!!!???? I guess I'd better pay my taxes on time now

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We obtained official court documents from both sides of this case. On one hand, the arresting officer from the Logan City Police Department, James Adkins, claims that when Jared refused to stop talking, that hindered his ability to do his job, hence, the obstruction charge. On the other side, Ben White points out that nowhere in the arresting officer's petition, does it mention Jared ever making any threats or acting in a violent manner. "Every aspect of this is just totally wrong," Lardieri said. "He has no background of anything criminal, up until now and it just seems like nobody wants to admit they're wrong."

So apparently the kid got arrested for talking... I could be wrong but the right to free speech is in some well hidden bit of the constitution isn't it?

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MILWAUKIE, Ore. (KOIN) — Neighbors say crime in their Clackamas County neighborhood is getting worse, so they’re taking drastic measures and packing heat for protection.


Breast-cancer survivor Coy Toloman talks to KOIN 6 News about the day she decided to get her concealed carry permit. (KOIN 6 News, Ellen Hansen)

“We’re starting a new group,” said Coy Tolonen, who lives in unincorporated Clackamas County. “We don’t feel neighborhood watch is sufficient, and we don’t feel the Clackamas County Sheriff’s Office is sufficient.”

Tolomon and a group of Jennings Lodge neighbors say they’re responding to escalating crime on their block by also making fliers that read “This is a Glock block. We don’t call 911.”

It’s mostly petty crime that neighbors are sick and tired of: stolen lawn ornaments, vandalism. But for neighbors like Tolonen, a breast-cancer survivor, that’s enough: “I will defend myself — and my home,” she told KOIN 6 News.
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Does Oregon have a Stand Your Ground law? If not, these people, though well intentioned, could find themselves in jail if they ever use a gun in self defense.

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Continued discussion...

I still want my pizza.



Without surveillance how can potential threats be determined? Although I am very uncomfortable with the idea of it. What is the alternative?

Is Prism really as invasive as people would like to believe? Why did people not get upset 12 years ago when we really lost our "privacy"?

Our doors are pretty wide open as a Country. Just about anybody can get in. This is on top of people of foreign descent who are recruited online and "converted". Should a Nation not at least monitor such potential threats?

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Actually I was quite upset in 2001, both by the patriot act, and the absolutely ridiculous invasion of iraq. Unfortunately most people really couldn't care less, and you can't expect the government to reign itself in, not when people were falling over themselves with flag waving.

Q: Without surveillance how can potential threats be determined?

A: I'm not at all against surveillance. What upsets me is the blatant lack of checks and balances to intrusive surveillance. Meaning the observation of acts you would normally assume to be private. Anything that's done in public, or in view from publicly accessible location... I think that's fair game.

When a reasonable suspicion exists that something bad is going on, or could be going on, let a warrant be issued that clearly defines the scope of the surveillance, the duration, and the target.

What we have now, is a basic carte blanche system where "national security" is the magic password to anything you do, indefinitely.


Q: Although I am very uncomfortable with the idea of it. What is the alternative?

A: No alternative required. The need for surveillance is a necessitated by law enforcement. Where people should take issue, is with why the information is being gathered, for how long, and for what. Pardon me if I don't feel the government always has the best interests of it's subjects at heart.

Further our constitution specifically the 4th amendment, protects against "unreasonable" search and seizure. I think given that almost all information is digitized now, unlimited access to that information, without a specific cause that can be articulated to a judge, is in fact unreasonable.

Q: Is Prism really as invasive as people would like to believe?

A: Yes. Yes it is. Every single bit of information is absorbed, stored, and analyzed. Given the volume of data, and how much the internet permeates our lives, yes, it's quite unreasonable when an government employee, who is not elected, nor has oversight, can pull up any information about you at will, without a warrant. It's essentially Google for people, and the search results are based on data that you would consider to be private. Note your very movements are also tracked at all times by your cell phone... that "metadata" bit that keeps getting tossed around. Even if your GPS is turned off, the phone tower records, through triangulation show your location to a reasonable degree of accuracy.

Q: Our doors are pretty wide open as a Country. Just about anybody can get in. This is on top of people of foreign descent who are recruited online and "converted". Should a Nation not at least monitor such potential threats?

A: Of course. Get a warrant on who you think is acting suspiciously, gather information about that person as much as you want, for a set amount of time, but if no information to corroborate the suspicion is found, stop monitoring the person. There is nothing to prevent surveillance.

Q: What would you do?

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1. Scrap all laws, policies, and procedures that run counter to either the language or the spirit of the constitution.

2. Require mandatory punishments at least 3x as severe for any person in power, as would be issued to a civilian.

3. Require all interactions between police/officials, and civilians to be recorded.

4. Eliminate any relationship between religion and government. No subsidies or tax exemptions for churches, mosques, synagogues, etc,. Actually have separation of church and state.

5. Institute a flat tax of 25%, that would apply equally to all people and companies, regardless of how they gain income.

6. Legalize all drugs. Use proceeds from sales taxes to fund detox programs & education.

I could go on and on, but that would be a nice start.
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Damn good answer Infinitus.

Oversight? Absolutely!

Incidentally Echelon has been in place since the 1960's

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

We are living in a time of unprecedented change, technologically and culturally. I am actually very excited and hopeful about it. I do sincerely hope that something similar to what you outlined becomes a working paradigm in our lifetime.

Without a means for oversight and a true means to empower the public I have my doubts this can take place. There is so much existing "machinery" entrenched in the system already (see military industrial complex) that true change will be hard IMO.

Here's to a better future

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The implications of this are staggering. This is much more than a "Gun" issue.

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Seventy-two KILLED resisting gun confiscation on Boston

http://fauquierfreecitizen.com/seven...ion-in-boston/

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One has to wonder what would happen if the same situation came up now days.

Unfortunately I doubt even the death of 72 people would be enough to sway people to forcefully confront a corrupt, and thoroughly unjust government.

Fortunately the conditions of life that we have now, are quite a bit better than what they were for our ancestors.

On more silly note...

Woman Who Hid Gun In Vagina Gets 25 Years | The Smoking Gun
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Gives a whole new twist to the meaning of "bang"
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Speaking of concealed carry...

Illinois allows residents to carry concealed guns | Reuters

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This makes me extremely happy!

Not only is it for CCW, but, BUT, SHALL ISSUE!

It's not "may issue" like NJ for example.

16 hours and a background check are a small price to pay imo.

I wonder what the other conditions are.
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