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Got a credible source? I'd like to read up on this. This defies logic in my brain!
Much of the "cost" of the death penalty is the ongoing and in some cases required appeals and stays between conviction and execution
Other costs are the significantly increased amount of isolation and security afforded these prisoners

In California, the average stay on "death row" is 25 years @ ~$138,000 a year!
There are about 730 of these prisoners in CA

"Normal" prisoners only cost about $48,000 a year
There are 160,000 of these prisoners in CA

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Just lovely, the coming panopticon. and on a sidenote The FDA's take on Lasers...
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I hope it's not named after the crappy Liberator pistol America made in WW2.



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It seems the AR-15 is only the lower receiver and high capacity magazine. The "Liberator" handgun however is all plastic save for a nail and a piece of metal for the benefit of metal detectors similar to metal rings required for plastic knives and the like. Of course users could choose not to add this.

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Both are ugly :P in my opinion.

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Majority of the cops in the UK don't carry firearms.

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Thanks ARG, Important safety tip kids! Don't brandish toy guns.

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One minor problem... given the way things are going, people will start getting shot for brandishing arms.

I mean literally their arms, their hands.

How long until office friendly says "Oh noes, I felt threatened when that old guy with a walking stick raised his hand in my direction!" ?

I think about 10-20 years. Given that kids going through elementary school now are getting suspended for playing cops & robbers, making the shape of a gun out of a poptart, or even just having a picture with a gun anywhere on it, on a piece of clothing.
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heres my sarcastic remark on gun control, i was planning on mass murdering as many people as possible but now that guns are illegal im not gonna do it cause i dont want to break the law,,

basically bad guys can get guns even if they are illegal, just like people, good or bad can get 1W lasers in Australia even though they are restricted .. and cant they just print guns now ?
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I think one major reason is that we are not historically peaceful in nature, yet we have a Utopian vision (unattainable) forced upon us. There is a huge disparity between what society preaches and the reality of the world.

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...basically bad guys can get guns even if they are illegal, just like people, good or bad can get 1W lasers in Australia even though they are restricted .. and cant they just print guns now ?
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Fact of the matter is, you really don't even need to be a trained martial artist in order to very seriously hurt, or kill someone, using nothing but your own body.

There are countless instances of accidental deaths, situations where a person is just pushed, hits their head on the pavement, and dies. Unfortunately our bodies can be both remarkably resilient, and extremely fragile in this regard.

I really don't want what I said to be the case, but given how litigious people, are and the constant propagation of a kind of "fear everything" psychoses... well, I really hope I'm wrong

As for cops, police, LEOs, any society, even a utopian one needs them, but they should never be above the law they are supposed to uphold.

No one forces a cop to be a cop. It is a choice to put on that badge, and the power it brings, should in great proportion bring a higher measure of responsibility.

Instead what we see time and again, is the opposite. The badge is used to protect, and deflect crimes that would place ordinary people in jail instantly.
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It is unfortunate that sometimes school bullies grow up to be police officers. Now, after 9/11 I must admit my opinion of LE and Firefighters changed considerably and I have a huge amount of respect for them and our Servicemen and women, if for no other reason than that they will put their lives on the line for complete strangers at a moments notice. With that said, the reality is that yes, power does corrupt, even the best of us at times and police are only human. If I was under the impression that my next traffic stop could end my life, then yeah, I would be a little jumpy to say the least.



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I have the utmost respect for EMTs, Firefighters, and servicemen.

Cops. Not so much.

Time and again, whether on the side of the road, or in court, cops prove that they WILL NOT put their lives on the line.

The To Protect and Serve logo has long outlived it's usefulness. They should really update it to "To Dominate, and Stay Safe."

The sad state of matters is, you really should be somewhat concerned about a traffic stop ending your life, or seriously screwing it up. There are countless cases of wrongful arrests. Hundreds of thousands of arrests, the MAJORITY of them do not lead to conviction. Why? Because no actual crime takes place.

To an EMT you're at least a meatbag that needs to be patched up. To a firefighter, you're the dumbass that needs to be gotten out of a bad situation.

To a cop though, you are one thing, and one thing only. A criminal.
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Did you notice the "To Serve and Protect" has changed or been outright removed? Disturbed me quite a bit when I saw that. I won't argue your point Infinitus, too many changes have occurred Post 9/11. There are quite a few DHS vehicles driving around where I work and an ongoing practice of installing cameras everywhere, the coming Panopticon. We have been in a constant state of War with an "enemy" that is everywhere and nowhere since 9/11. Welcome to 4th Gen Warfare.

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I was more disturbed when I started seeing "If you see something, say something" start popping up everywhere.

To me it's too much like the Stasi campaigns in germany, or Stalin era communist paranoia.

As for the panopticon... we're already there.

Majority of us are tracked 24/7, 365, to within a few feet.
-Cell phone companies keep both GPS and tower triangulation records for unspecified amounts of time.
-Club cards, Credit/Debit cards, and systems like EZPass serve to further track your every action, and spending habits.
-Anything you put on the internet - assume it's tracked.

Further, pattern recognition algorithms, combined with vastly increased computing power, and advancements in camera technology all mean that in short order, you will be known immediately, based on nothing but your mug.

I've already seen many cop cars, and even transit busses equipped with cameras that do nothing except run plates numbers, and automatically send tickets (If you park in NYC at a bus stop - even just stop there, and a bus - not even stopping there - passes by, you may well end up with a ticket in the mail.) or send up a flag for the police officer. On the way to the DMV to renew your registration, or inspection expired? That's too bad... pull on over.

The only real protection anyone still has in regards to privacy, is that as individuals, we're kind of insignificant.

So with regards to the Panopticon situation, I very much look forward to the day when everyone is wearing a camera that can not only record, but instantly transmit what is going on, with eyes staring right back at the opticon.

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Lazerbeak, I'm giving you rep just for knowing about the panopticon. seems we have much in common. welcome to the machine. RFID for everybody yay!!!
(whisper)...and thank you.(whisper)

Infinitus, that camera idea you mentioned is making more and more sense. I've actually spent way too much time on such things in another life, and yes complete transparency, although I don't like it may be the only real protection. I've seen it with the occupy movements and twitter feeds and live streaming video from the middle east.

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