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Another perception that annoys the hell out of me, with regards to gun control, is that there are no EXISTING GUN LAWS.

There are. There are literally THOUSANDS of existing gun laws on local, state and federal level.

Fact of the matter is, depending on what state you are in, getting a gun can be very difficult.

Criminal offenders are barred from buying guns.

True assault rifles (capable of full auto) are already illegal to own for civilians.

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That last #1 factoid is the the most telling.

For all the talk of gun crime, the reality is, gun crime, and violent crime, has been trending down for decades, and continues to decline.

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Just because can we use them for target practice today
does not mean that that is what they were designed for.
No what I'm trying to tell you is guns are designed for shooting. For expelling a small piece of metal at a high velocity.

What is done with the gun in shooting it, that is up to, and the responsibility of the user.

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No what I'm trying to tell you is guns are designed for shooting. For expelling a small piece of metal at a high velocity.

What is done with the gun in shooting it, that is up to the user of the gun.
That's like saying that cellphones are designed to emit light and radiowaves, not make phonecalls and use multimedia.

Guns are designed to incapacitate and kill - period.

Also, if somebody could take 5 minutes to read the article I posted, it'd be great, because this thread would greatly benefit from it!
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That's like saying that cellphones are designed to emit light and radiowaves, not make phonecalls and use multimedia.

Guns are designed to incapacitate and kill - period.

Also, if somebody could take 5 minutes to read the article I posted, it'd be great, because this thread would greatly benefit from it!
Who makes the phone call, or uses multimedia?

You can use a cell phone as a bomb trigger... in fact it's done all the time with IEDs. Should cell phones be regulated, banned, require licensing?

If a person takes a sturdy cell phone and bashes someone to death with it - is the cell phone the cause of the murder or the guy that used it as a blunt instrument?

Before enacting new laws, how about working with, and enforcing existing ones...?

New legislation ≠ gun violence reduction.

Just look at Chicago if you want proof...

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I am never questioning the role of the user in entire story.

I am only, and ONLY, making a point that a firearm is designed to hurt and kill.

Nothing else. Much like a phone can be used to detonate a bomb or make a friendly phone call, so can a gun be used to kill somebody, or go shooting cans out in the field.

So yeah. Regarding murders, passing a trillion laws if you want won't do cr*p. But suicides will go down. A lot.

One of the worst possible thoughts about safety a person can have is relating the laws banning ownership of firearms, and criminals owning firearms. Criminals won't stop getting guns because they're illegal. If you were to suddenly shut down every single weapon factory, whole lot of people are going to find a way to build their own or acquire one of many already produced. That cannot be stopped.

What can be stopped is reason for committing armed felonies. Cause of crime, lifestyle, levels of stress, work environment, overall feeling of wether "life's good" or "sh*t is going down, son" in a particular city. Countries with lowest crime numbers in the world usually have equally low gun numbers owned legally/illegally. Hand them out for free on the street and number still won't go up much.

Banning guns is easy. Debating about banning guns is easy.
Pretending it's going to solve crime is easy.

Actually getting to the bottom and solving the crime problem is tough. But let's all pretend that we ban guns and nobody kill nobody anymore.

Guns are not the problem. People are
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The suicide situation is a dilemma. Basically what it comes down to is, the ease with which one can die.

I doubt though, that access to guns is anywhere near as pervasive as access to was to stoves.

This limits the population which can be impacted.

How many suicides are by gun owners versus the total number of suicides?

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In light of congress blocking the President's new gun laws, I heard this:

"The ability to resist an inclination for political rhetoric in times of tragedy is a fair measure of intelligence"

What do you guys think?
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"The ability to resist an inclination for political rhetoric in times of tragedy is a fair measure of intelligence"

What do you guys think?
I think that's an accurate assessment.

@Eud - I thought some more about the suicide problem while driving to the post office.

Maybe it's not really a problem at all? What I mean is, do you really want people who can be deterred from such an important action by a simple barrier, in the gene pool?
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Well that said absolutely nothing

"Something needs to be changed" implies an alteration to the status quo
Should things be changed to increase restrictions or to decrease restrictions?

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I think that's an accurate assessment.

@Eud - I thought some more about the suicide problem while driving to the post office.

Maybe it's not really a problem at all? What I mean is, do you really want people who can be deterred from such an important action by a simple barrier, in the gene pool?
I thought the article explained that pretty well.

Yes!

It's a split second, unrational, un-thought through decision. Your genes have nothing to do with your sorrounding, who make you miserable day by day and driving you towards suicide.
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why is it, that when some wacko chains the doors shut on some building, and sets the building on FIRE, deliberately roasting the people inside alive... its barely a footnote on the nightly news? Then, when some idiot shoots another idiot, and not even fatally mind you... its on teh news for 2 days?

Hm?

you, you, you... everyone here... your PERCEPTIONS about guns and violence, and how widespread it is, is one hundred percent controlled by the media. It s not my OPINION that the media in the USA is nearly all liberal, and that they bury or p-u-s-h stories based upon whether or not they further a liberal political agenda... this is a proven fact.

we are all into or interested in lasers here. If you never owned a laser, and all you knew about them was blinding aircraft stories on the TV news? LIke any rational person, you would say "Gee... laser pointers any more than 1 to 5 milliwatts is more than any presentation needs... thats a good restriction."

Sure, there are dozens of stories about drug dealers shooting one another, crim committed with a gun, and occasionally a whack job goes on a spree. I am talking er year basic here. What happened to the thousands of law abiding citizens who protected life and limb with a gun?

it does happen, thousands of times a year across this country but it never eds up on the news, not even a peep about it. WHy? simply put, no one is bleeding or dying, its not sensational enough. Also, it doesnt further the political agenda of the mainstream liberal media.

I am a delivery driver. I also manage some nights at my shop. It doesnt take a crminal mastermind to figure out the delivery driver has $$$ on him, and that the last person out of the shop late at night on a busy night has the big cash. Yes, i carry a handgun, yes i have a license, and yes on 2 or 3 occasions i have had to produce the weapon to entice a criminal to go find somewhere else to play, thats 2 or 3 times in 15 years.

perhaps you labor under the misconception that only police officers should carru guns, as they have such a dangerous job? Well actually, last time i checked the FBI puts out reports about which job is the most dangerous. That report is adjusted for man-hours and maimed/killed in the course of working. Guess what? Cops dont even make the top 10 of the list. MY JOB was #2. (taxi drivers were #1 that year)

i dont know what fantasy world people live in, that they think you simply pass a "law" and magically everything is wonderful. As long as mankind has existed, man has been killing each other with sharpened sticks, rocks, then knives and swords... now finally guns.

in the immortal words of Archie Bunker? "Would it make yaah feel better if they was pushed out of windows?"

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i noticed that many of the rich peopel i see on TV pushing for gun control? many of THEM have concealed carry permits and own handguns! Yes, Diane Feinstein herself owns a cncealed carry permit AND a 9mm semiautomatic handgun. (and the model of handgun accepts large capacity magazines). ALmost ALL of them? They have armed security guards round the clock.

I dont have anyone "assigned" to protect me when i am carrying a couple grand in cash out of the shop alone after midnight, and I am not issued a "partner" who can ride shotgun when i am all alone after dark, out in the middle of nowhere making a delivery. I decided YEARS ago, I am NOT going to hand over what amounts to my life savings in my pocket to some crackhead with a screwdriver in his hand. No, really i DONT think people should have some "right" to surround peopel late at night and assault and rob them more for fun than any other reason.

robbery, assault, rape... all already illegal, the laws havent stopped a thing. Quite frankly, teachign people to "just hand over the money so theres no trouble!" is just exacerbating the problem. Giving criminals a green light they can expect no resistance. Escalating the violence? YES! resist crime! protect yourself and your family!

after you have eliminated all forms of violent crime? We can talk about gun control. Until then? Gun owners aren't really interested in becoming victims.
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sedstar you are so right, what do you think will happen when I get a real laser gun working
my own brother does not think we should have real laser guns , I hope to have one working soon .I mad a 48w 808nm I am working on some real real high powered 445nm laser
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sedstar you are so right, what do you think will happen when I get a real laser gun working
my own brother does not think we should have real laser guns , I hope to have one working soon .I mad a 48w 808nm I am working on some real real high powered 445nm laser
I know what will happen..... ill be sending you all available funds

I also agree with sedstar about how our knowledge and perceptions are influenced heavily by the media. I often wonder about how other countries truly view the USA everything I know about many countries I have heard through the media.... if all i hear/see is bad news about a place from the media then they can influence how i perceive the other country; If they report all the great things going on about a country and nothing bad they can shape my perception the other way.

I own guns and really enjoy them, I don't hunt... I don't have the stomach to see the animal after I shoot it and then I feel horrible. Guns were designed for warfare.... but that is where the majority of the technology we use today is developed. They are dangerous and can have a devastating effect if they are in the wrong hands and even in the right hands. I remember new years someone went outside and fired shots up into the air..... it hit a little girl in the head and killed her.



Stuff like this can make you want to take the guns out of the hands of your "everyday citizen". It makes you sick to think about it and i don't believe anyone ever confessed to it they could have been miles away. When I sit hear and detach myself from this "one specific story" I begin to imagine what would happen if they did take guns away and the way I see it playing out isn't good. I know they aren't currently banning all guns but come on (baby steps people). The first thing I think of when I hear banned/illegal is drugs.... but wait I bet you every single person knows someone if they wanted some type of illegal drug they can get it. I know there is a difference between guns and drugs but that isn't the word I am focusing on.... it's the word illegal. Gun enthusiasts will find a way to get guns and so will criminals. The one thing it might deter is your random crazy person shooting a group of people that we hear about on the news until we don't pay attention anymore.

God Bless the sandy hook children but when the news broke I realized i am growing numb to what crazy people are doing gun or no gun. You had the guy eating a homeless mans face in florida, a guy 30min away from where I live had a head in the fridge and was eating it, batman shooting, etc. You get the point but think about this.... what if the victims in those three events were carrying a weapon? Does the guy get his face eaten off, does the guy get killed and then his brains get eaten. THen at the theater lets say it fits 100 people, 10% of the people carried a concealed weapon, do you think there would be as many casualties if he had 10 people fire back when he started. I would hope one of them would be able to hit him. I know you guys will have valid antigun points like what if 1 of the 10% got into a fight and pulled a gun out and killed someone, if he didn't have a weapon it would just be your average drunk fight..... but at that point we are arguing if the glass if half empty or half full.

I agree with some of the laws in this MD gun ban like fingerprinting for pistol registration, also there should be gun educational courses for first time gun owners (affordable courses). We have the right to bear arms but there needs to be a way to keep guns out of the hands of people who are incapable safely owning and pose a threat to societies safety.

Finally the US isnt everyone favorite. With threats like north korea and all the others if warfare were to occur it is in the best interest of the country that the citizens have the tools necessary to defend themselves if needed. This may sound way off the wall but if history repeats itself are we the citizens going to eventually fight against are own government? That isn't possible if you don't have anything to fight back with
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Cannibalism!? 30 minutes away from you!? I would definitely have a gun! In Australia you have to do safety courses before you can apply for a license and then once you apply they do background checks. It took 6 months to get our license since we submitted. I have a weak stomach as well, i can kill an animal no problem and cut it open, its just keeping my food in my stomach thats the hard part
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Yup 30 minutes away here is the story

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