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California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Keep Arms - Bloomberg


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Well there goes possibility of me living in California.
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Idk, I'm not entirely opposed to this... I mean if someone is mentally ill, psychotic with violent tendencies, major depression, confiscating guns from them is a good idea.

What I do have a problem with, is what happens when the person has a clean bill of health? Do they get their guns back?

Can they get back the ability to purchase a gun?

It's kind of a slipper slope... how long until a simple arrest, without a conviction, leads to permanent confiscation of guns, and inability to purchase them again.

The No Fly list for example is a perfect example of government stupidity run amok... the no gun list seems like it can lead to depriving people of their right as well.
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Idk, I'm not entirely opposed to this... I mean if someone is mentally ill, psychotic with violent tendencies, major depression, confiscating guns from them is a good idea.

What I do have a problem with, is what happens when the person has a clean bill of health? Do they get their guns back?

Can they get back the ability to purchase a gun?

It's kind of a slipper slope... how long until a simple arrest, without a conviction, leads to permanent confiscation of guns, and inability to purchase them again.

The No Fly list for example is a perfect example of government stupidity run amok... the no gun list seems like it can lead to depriving people of their right as well.
Exactly. And you can be punished for living in the same building where guns are stored. WTH?

Mommy and Daddy put my guns on the top of fridge. I guess I can't get them now. Darn.

As just with any and every right - once taken away, it cannot be regained.

By the way, just because someone is mentally ill, does not mean they are to be feared with a gun.

Not all gun violence criminals are mentally ill. What are the gangs in LA going to do now? Will they be unable to protect their turf and intimidate their enemies? Will they have to resort to using pointed sticks?
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This is a little off topic, but the first ten minutes is worth watching;


Something else I learned today... apparently cops have almost zero legal obligation to protect you.

Police Have No Duty to Protect Individuals

Warren v. District of Columbia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia





City says cops had no duty to protect subway hero Joseph Lozito who subdued killer Maksim Gelman and was stabbed seven times in process - NYPOST.com

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What are the gangs in LA going to do now? Will they be unable to protect their turf and intimidate their enemies? Will they have to resort to using pointed sticks?
Oh, you know, move onto kitchen knives. Of course we don't need to look far to see where that leads...

http://godfatherpolitics.com/8721/uk...itchen-knives/

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I've never seen any cops do anything helpful. Well, no, I take that back. I distinctly remember a rainy night, on my way home, saw a vehicle on the side of the road and a squad car with lights on behind it. This kind officer was holding a flashlight so that the lady could change her own tire.

I always regard my dad as a very straight-edge, law-abiding, do no wrong sort of guy, but even he says to avoid Cops and the government like the plague.
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Friend of mine got a flat tire, on the highway. Pulled over, was changing it. Cop drove up... ran licence, insurance, and registration.

The cops good deed for the day - according to the cop - was not giving him a ticket for being parked illegally.
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What I do have a problem with, is what happens when the person has a clean bill of health? Do they get their guns back?

Can they get back the ability to purchase a gun?
That's an interesting problem actually, and one that legislators in my state are pushing to fix -- despite people complaining that it's poorly timed due to that Newtown shooting. The reason is because people who have been checked into mental hospitals against their will even for something relatively "benign" such depression would be restricted from owning firearms and would have no means to get rid of that "record" after they're treated.

The proposed bill would make it so you could clear that by going to a judge and having the case reviewed. It wouldn't be necessarily easy to get the personal ban overturned, but it would be possible. I think that's the right course of action.
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Interesting. I think the ban should be more dependent on the initial diagnosis as well... right now it seems overly broad.

I was thinking about this scenario... things do happen, but people recover, and get back to life. Having a bunch of cops show up to take away your guns seems rather unpleasant.

As an alternative, people should have the option of having the guns they do quickly, re-registered to another gun owner.

Especially given the kind of scenario where let's say you have a family of six, two parents, four kids, living under one roof. Having all guns permanently confiscated from the household would be insane, if only one party was actually diagnosed with a problem.
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Interesting. I think the ban should be more dependent on the initial diagnosis as well... right now it seems overly broad.

I was thinking about this scenario... things do happen, but people recover, and get back to life. Having a bunch of cops show up to take away your guns seems rather unpleasant.

As an alternative, people should have the option of having the guns they do quickly, re-registered to another gun owner.
I'm not sure if the guns get confiscated if you're committed to a mental hospital, only that you can't purchase another gun because of the background checks.

I do think that if you're only "sane" if you take your meds you can't obtain a gun because of the potential for you to enter an insane state on short notice. That's probably what the judge ruling is for though.
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My buddy in IL was driving through a blizzard and a deer jumped out into the road. He went off the road to not hit it and slide into a pole causing almost no damage to his car. He was ticketed for losing control of the car and public property damage... The deer had an assault rifle and got no tickets...?!



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I dunno about you guys but I would hate to be the person who has to try and take a gun from a crazy person lol!

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I dunno about you guys but I would hate to be the person who has to try and take a gun from a crazy person lol!

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Default Re: Gun Discussion

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Originally Posted by mhemling33 View Post
I dunno about you guys but I would hate to be the person who has to try and take a gun from a crazy person lol!

Talk about anxiety in the workplace.
Try taking anything anyway from anyone. You'll find out that normal people are just as protective of what is theirs.
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