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I bet that'd be a mess indeed.

Even if such permits were valid nationwide, there could still be exceptions that make it practically impossible to have a firearm other than in your own house or on public roads.

You'd get odd things where guns would be banned from everything else, like shopping malls, offices, privately owned roads and land, car parks, public beaches, nature reserves and whatever else you can label as 'something'.


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Private properties get to decide for themselves whether to allow guns or not, right now. Some states have policies that you are not allowed to carry if you are inebriated, or carry at a bar.

Aside from that though, public beaches, parks, roads, are public space, and would not be easy to make an argument for, to restrict.

The nature of the mess is that currently there are some insane variations in laws. Just driving through a state with guns you bought legally, with a permit in another, has landed people in prison for years.

Ultimately Federal Law supersedes state, but it would take more than an executive order to make this happen. It would actually take a new law to be passed. I would love to see it happen, and also expand castle doctrine, and a watered down version of stand your ground law. Specifically that a person may defend themselves with deadly force if they justifiably feel their life is in danger. (Which ironically is exactly the policy for our gestapo, erm, I mean police.)

Would also love to see a restoration of the 4th amendment.
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I guess the whole federal versus state legislation is a bit hard to understand for europeans.

Even with fairly open borders we have vast differences in legislation between countries, but sometimes people are unaware of those. A german friend once got pulled off the road because he had a toy gun visibly in his car. In germany those things are mostly legal to own, but in the netherlands it's illegal to carry them in public if they could be m staken for a real firearm. Now this was just a plastic gun that would never pass for real when you picked it up, but just seeing it sitting on a dash it makes a decent replica, perhaps a movie prop.

As for self-defense it's all very complicated out here. You are allowed to use 'proportional response' when in danger of physical harm, so hitting a burglar swinging a bat at you with a wine bottle or something would probably be okay. Shooting one armed with a knive probably is not, even if you had a permit to have that gun in the first place.

This only applies to threats to your physical safety, it would be illegal to club down a burglar if he tried to take off with your valuables without threathening you.
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IMHO, in close quarters, like say a living-room/bedroom, a knife is quite explicitly dangerous and should be met with lethal force. An attacker can close say 20 feet, very very quickly.

In general, as I understand it, the situation with state vs federal, is very similar to countries in the EU, except with greater variation, since the EU countries were entirely separate for so long.
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I agree with you on that, someone with a knive could easily make a run and stab you even if initially several meters away. Also, someone waving a knive around clearly does not have good intentions.

I don't think you should just shoot anyone that enters your home if they don't seem harmful. There could always be a mistake, even on your own part where you didn't close the door properly and someone that mistakes the address wanders in thinking it's a party or something like that.

Such things do actually happen often, but people making that mistake will probably just be on their way when you go like 'who the f are you, get the f out of my house' without even showing you're armed.
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Personally I tend to be pretty paranoid about always closing and locking doors behind me, but that's probably more of a mild case of OCD on my part. I agree completely one shouldn't just open fire though. For example in the US, a lot of people (myself included) rent, and there is a very good chance that it's the landlord coming it because maybe there's some kind of a problem, or some inspection by the city (usually for smoke and carbon monoxide detectors).

Personally I keep a very heavy cane close to the door. Very easily capable of breaking a car window (went to a junkyard with it for a bit of fun ). If NJ's gun laws were not so draconian, you can be sure I'd be a gun owner with a shotgun instead.

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I guess it depends on your living situation entirely. I live on the 15th floor of an appartment building with a central elevator and stairhouse etc. There is only one way in that requires keys and has cctv installed as well.

It is possible to sneak in when someone just walks out or to follow someone that has a key into the building, but you're certain to be filmed from several cameras if you do... so not ideal for burglars and such.

Then again it's a building with mostly nice people, and we have exterior doors that lead to a balcony that runs around the entire building. In summer it's not uncommon that people leave those doors open for some fresh air, allowing you neighbours to just walk in if they wanted to.

Sometimes people walk around these balconies looking for a front door (you can get onto them though fire escape doors, some people mistakenly think our front doors are on the outside and not the inner core, especially when taking the stairs). This doesn't happen often, but if i would shoot anyone that did i'd probably kill one a year or something like that

These connected balconies may seem silly, but they serve as emergency exits too - when the core is on fire, or the hallway leading to your front door, you can go onto the balcony, walk around the building and reach the stairwell. This stuff was designed in the 70s, i guess people worried more about fires than robbers back then. Isolated balconies would suck in such cases, jumping down 15 stories is not a pleasant method of avoiding a fire.
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Here's what I have been up to the past 6 months or so. I'm currently waiting on some tax stamps for a couple new suppressors and SBR builds. I picked up the Sig MPX 9mm SMG in preparation of a Clinton win for pres. She was going to ban all these firearms that's for damn sure. At least with Trump my babies are safe.

Top- Spikes Tactical AR15 with ATN X-sight night vision optic for predator hunting at night which is legal here in Oregon. I am waiting on the silencer for this rifle's paperwork to clear ATF.

Middle- Bravo Company BCM AR15 platform in 300 Blackout suppressed. 9" barrel. Ill change the rear stock once my tax stamp arrives until then its a "pistol".

Bottom- Sig MPX 9mm. I also have a short barreled rifle tax stamp and suppressor on the way. I'm hoping the paperwork will be processed by summer.




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TRUMP SUPPORTS NATIONAL CONCEALED CARRY.

Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump -- who said he has a concealed carry permit -- called for the expansion of gun rights Friday, including making those permits applicable nationwide. In a position paper published on his website Friday afternoon, Trump called for the elimination of gun and magazine bans, labeling them a "total failure."

"Law-abiding people should be allowed to own the firearm of their choice. The government has no business dictating what types of firearms good, honest people are allowed to own," Trump wrote.

It's not a departure from what he's said on the trail this year, though it does mark a shift from a position he took in his 2000 book "The America We Deserve," where Trump stated that he generally opposes gun control but that he supported a ban on assault weapons and a longer waiting period to get a gun.

"Opponents of gun rights try to come up with scary sounding phrases like 'assault weapons', 'military-style weapons' and 'high capacity magazines' to confuse people," Trump wrote Friday. "What they’re really talking about are popular semi-automatic rifles and standard magazines that are owned by tens of millions of Americans."

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Amen to that! Im really hoping he removes SBR's and silencers from the NFA. I watched some videos on Youtube in which the NRA sat down with ole Donny and explained how pointless form 1's and 4's really are. Suppressors for hunting is a rapidly growing accessory. Not a single mass shooting or even gun crime reported has been with an SBR. The amount of paperwork i had to do with the new 41f ruling was absurd. All that paperwork but still the standard 10 min Universal background check like is done for buying any firearm. So pointless!
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I have been buying a lot lately myself, I think everyone should finish a few 80's and enjoy a taste of freedom while we have it.

Actually I'm hoping we can get a lot of common sense things fixed because most are in fact unconstitutional infringements, and some are downright insulting prejudgment, such as I can't keep a 10.5 inch barreled upper in my safe along with a standard M4 rifle unless I have a pistol size buffer tube on a separate lower to go with it, and the concept that the sig brace can be held against my cheek legally but not my shoulder or that's a felony is beyond insanity, it's a matter of inches and flat out oppression that's nothing more than a blatant attempt to chisel away at our rights and intimidate people from owning something.

I really like how Mr. Trump said an American should be able to own any firearm they choose.

Great, lets repeal the GCA of 68 and 86

Make CCW licenses LIFETIME as it's a right, not a privilege or simply do away with the need, although it's worth having to skip the instant check but should be a lifetime permit and every State needs to be Shall issue.

Basically return to the Constitution and let people be free but responsible for their actions.

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Red Cowboy- The ATF ruling about the Sig brace is rediculous. Some of the ranges near me won't even allow you to use guns with these types of arm braces unless you velcro the damn thing to your arm as intended. So needless to say I havent even fired the MPX yet. Probably wont have my Stamps and silencers till mid summer. Its about 8-10 month backed up now that we can't file electronically.
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Great tools Olympus, I want so many but I have to budget my resources.

When the K2 with it's 1 in 7 twist barrel was banned from import Daewoo used their own off the shelf military surplus 1 in 12 twist for the DR-200's but the chamber must be a wylde or equivalent because we shoot reloaded NATO circle cross 556 brass all the time, it's GA ARMS reloads with 55gr at 3150 fps and there is some PMC and misc brass in there but also a lot of circle cross and I have never had a single problem with it. I have also shot XM-193 and American Eagle 223, they all chamber just fine. I just don't shoot any 855 or 109, well anything over 55gr, I swear it seems like that 1 in 12 has an advantage over the 1 in 7 - 1 in 9 when using 55gr. The only thing the woo is missing are the M4 feed ramps, still functions just fine but if you manually kick out an unfired round it will have little scrapes from the locks on the projectile, also the firing pin will leave a tiny kiss on the primer from inertia, but it's never been any trouble, it just slams shut with authority, these rifles were made to work in dirt and snow and I love the spring loaded ejector, it throws spent brass like it was mad at it, they are accurate and reliable, I wish I had bought more when they were new, the rear sight is quality and the trigger floor swings down for use with thick gloves. I have warmed up to direct impingement but the piston rifles are super reliable, although they still carry a higher price. FAXON kind of copied the Daewoo concept. The SCAR is great but again not cheap.
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Great tools Olympus, I want so many but I have to budget my resources.

When the K2 with it's 1 in 7 twist barrel was banned from import Daewoo used their own off the shelf military surplus 1 in 12 twist for the DR-200's but the chamber must be a wylde or equivalent because we shoot reloaded NATO circle cross 556 brass all the time, it's GA ARMS reloads with 55gr at 3150 fps and there is some PMC and misc brass in there but also a lot of circle cross and I have never had a single problem with it. I have also shot XM-193 and American Eagle 223, they all chamber just fine. I just don't shoot any 855 or 109, well anything over 55gr, I swear it seems like that 1 in 12 has an advantage over the 1 in 7 - 1 in 9 when using 55gr. The only thing the woo is missing are the M4 feed ramps, still functions just fine but if you manually kick out an unfired round it will have little scrapes from the locks on the projectile, also the firing pin will leave a tiny kiss on the primer from inertia, but it's never been any trouble, it just slams shut with authority, these rifles were made to work in dirt and snow and I love the spring loaded ejector, it throws spent brass like it was mad at it, they are accurate and reliable, I wish I had bought more when they were new, the rear sight is quality and the trigger floor swings down for use with thick gloves. I have warmed up to direct impingement but the piston rifles are super reliable, although they still carry a higher price. FAXON kind of copied the Daewoo concept. The SCAR is great but again not cheap.
Sorry for the late reply cowboy but this is great info thank you. I bought my DR200 in the 90's and never got to fire it before I moved to Portland. I was working a gun shop back east and the Daewoo always caught my eye up on the wall so before I left that job and East coast I bought one.
Have you done any customizing on your? I have found one company that offers after market handguards and stocks. Ill change out the stock ones when i get the rifle back.
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http://www.daewoorifleparts.com/ Has been down for weeks, they may be gone or taking a break.

I have a lot of stuff, everyone reading needs to understand 922r compliance before modifying, it's a stupid dam law as you can build your own gun with a folding stock, but there are stupid rules for adding a folding stock to an imported post ban thumbhole, even now that the ban has sunset and is dead anyway.

We need to repeal these stupid laws as putting a fore grip on a pistol should be our choice, to ban it is an infringement and really dam stupid as there are so many workarounds.

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The long stroke piston is a big plus, high reliability and no carrier wear like you can see with short stroke pistons that slap the BCG inducing tilt, this design allows for a folding stock as you don't need a buffer tube, the FAXON uses a long stroke piston as well.

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You guys have some very fun guns there. Truly makes me wish I was living in a less restrictive state.
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Target shooting is a lot of fun, and just like operating a laser there are safety rules that everyone must know, such as never allow the business end to be pointed at anything you don't want to shoot no matter if it's loaded or not.

Always know your backstop and treat every gun as if it's loaded at all times.

I find that gun owners look out for each other at the shooting ranges, if I see someone start to drift anywhere other than downrange I will give them a friendly warning, it's only new shooters who do it, most people know gun safety and after a few minutes you can tell who's new and who's not, most people I encounter are very safety conscious as am I.

A friend I went to school with lives 45 minutes away and has some 25 acres of property in a rural county and it's great to be able to set up full diet soda cans and pop them, I buy several cases of cheap Walmart diet soda so there's no sugar mess to draw bugs. Sadly he travels a lot doing power line construction and is not around a lot right now and an unattended WMA sight in range I used to use is closed, paper targets are ok, but chasing reactive targets is a lot more fun and things that pop are awesome.

I really want some property of my own in a county where you can shoot outside, if you live in a urban or suburban area with more than so many people per square mile you have to go to a range, but if you have a safe distance worth of property from adjacent property lines then you can shoot on your own land provided you are in a county where it's not restricted by population density.

Even shooting hardened steel targets are more fun than paper.

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