**** the government - wake up people!?

wesdaman14 said:

Y'all are so Gullible. Swine flu man made. 9/11 government job, Iraq war governments fault.
Everything that has always gone wrong in the word is the governments fault.
You do know there technology is 50-60 years ahead of what were using right ?
I mean there spying on all of us. Before there were never any cameras around my town. now everywhere i go i see those little security cameras all over the place, we have no privacy any more ! Free speech is no more, you try to voice your opinion and you get put in jail for soliciting.

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Watch out for the Thought Police.
George Orwell warned you.



But I did like that book.

Here's a fun read

Amazon.com: Nothing in This Book Is True, but It's Exactly How Things Are: The Esoteric Meaning of the Monuments on Mars (9781883319014): Bob Frissell, Brett Lilly: Books

Peace,
dave

The presence of molten steel at the WTC site is a well established fact. Molten steel was seen flowing from the tower even before the collapse:



photos show molten steel on the surface of the rubble later in the day on 9/11.



Three weeks after the collapse, temperatures inside the rubble pile were still hot enough for steel to be glowing red-hot.


How is it possible for a hydro carbon fire, with maximum temperatures way below 1000F, and actual temperatures probably closer to 500F, manage to produce glowing hot steel aprox. 1300F in the rubble pile weeks later ? huh ?

If, on the other hand, high explosives were used, this is exactly what we would expect to see. High explosives produce temperatures in excess of 5000F and cut through steel "like a razor through a tomato." The steel core columns at the base of the towers were so massive it would have required quite a lot of whatever explosive was used. We would expect the residual heat from those explosives to persist for weeks in the confined spaces at the base of the rubble pile.

Get back on the meds wes.

-Mike

QUACK QUACK QUACK looks like a duck sounds like a duck hmmm what is it ??

If you can prove that stuff the first 2 photos is actually steel, I'll eat my hat. Yeah, it's glowing yellow, so what? That doesn't mean it's steel in the least. Have you ever actually seen molten metal in your life? Molten steel? No? Ok then, have you ever seen a piece of steel at high temperature such that it's glowing like the 3rd pic? No?

Since you've never seen either of those (I have, by the way, in multiple steel/iron foundries), how the heck you supposed to know what the heck either thing looks like? You can't, you can't prove the glowing liquid is steel, it could very well be pot metal or sheet metal from desks or cubicle walls, it could be aluminum from planes or dozens of other sources of aluminum, it could be ANYTHING.

As far as metal still being hot weeks later, the metal was buried under a building, just about the best insulation I can think of. If I wanted something to stay the same temperature for a long time, I'd bury it under a building, that would work well. How did it get hot underneath the building? Look up a thing called "adiabatic heating" and get back to me.

wesdaman14 said:

The presence of molten steel at the WTC site is a well established fact. Molten steel was seen flowing from the tower even before the collapse:

photos show molten steel on the surface of the rubble later in the day on 9/11.

Three weeks after the collapse, temperatures inside the rubble pile were still hot enough for steel to be glowing red-hot.

How is it possible for a hydro carbon fire, with maximum temperatures way below 1000F, and actual temperatures probably closer to 500F, manage to produce glowing hot steel aprox. 1300F in the rubble pile weeks later ? huh ?

If, on the other hand, high explosives were used, this is exactly what we would expect to see. High explosives produce temperatures in excess of 5000F and cut through steel "like a razor through a tomato." The steel core columns at the base of the towers were so massive it would have required quite a lot of whatever explosive was used. We would expect the residual heat from those explosives to persist for weeks in the confined spaces at the base of the rubble pile.

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I dont think so wes
You believe everything on the internet?
Base all your evidence off of videos from YOUTUBE?

:crackup:

To use the above picture as proof of shenanikins you need to know when it was taken, when clearing up the mess it is probable that torches were used to reduce the mass of material for ease of disposal.
The front row left hand column looks to me like a typical oxy acetaline cut when the torch is set slightly wrong....

Just my 2 penneth.

Regards rog8811

Edit... a few more posts appeared before I entered mine, refering to the cut pillars in Wes post...

THESE PHOTOS ARE JUST PROOF YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

That's CLASSIC brittle fracture, and CLASSIC shear, that's EXACTLY what a strong, hard piece of metal looks like when it breaks. Have you ever seen a strong, hard piece of high-quality steel broken? Nope, you haven't, clearly. Have you ever seen thermite in person? Ever seen thermite poured on a piece of metal? NO, you clearly have not, because those photos are proof of the exact opposite of what you are saying, when someone actually knows what the heck they're looking at. Thermite never touched those columns, those columns BROKE under the extreme force of a building falling on top of them.

If you had any clue about the subject you're talking about, you'd see it. But instead, you trust other people who ALSO have no clue what they're talking about.

You know why the pieces in the first photo are all broken at an angle? Because of a thing we call "resolved shear stress". It matches perfectly. It also matches well that many of the columns are broken on the same angle, but others are not, since it can be a fairly random process.

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no pullbangdead they used THER MATE :crackup:

@ PBD --

You DO realize that you are arguing with a parrot , don't you?

Peace,
dave

Alluminum does not turn Glowing orange or red, its looks like solder when it melts



on the other hand steel and metal glow orange



Even iron melts the same


And WTC7 was never hit by a plane but it just collapses ? explain this

I...can't...stop...







...I think this whole thread is my cry for help...

A cry for medication.

-Mike