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You may want to be cautious with fuel oils (lighter fluid). They have a high flash point and low evap rate. This is why you cannot use alcohol in a zippo. Fuel oil like diesel is not meant to evaporate like gasoline or alcohols and will probably burn the crap outta your hand. With fuel oil used in an engine its ignition is not vapor based ie sparkplugs, but rather high compression and heat. If you have ever tried to light a diesel soaked rag you will notice two things. One is that it has to reach a high temp to hit its flash point, and second is, once it lights it burns very hot and is hard to put out. I have been a pyro since a very young age, and have played with many things. By the age of 15 I was assembling things that will turn you into a pink mist if a mistake was made, and have had my share of close calls. If you follow any tutorials on youtube, do not steer away from the original chems used, unless you have experiance and know the hazards involved.
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Usually you find lighter fluid in corner stores where they sell cigarettes (and cigarette lighters). Just ask the clerk for fluid to refuel a cigarette lighter and they'll show you the stuff. It usually comes in a can with a little nozzle. (like the yellow can you see in the video) You don't want a refill for a butane (gas) lighter, make sure that it says lighter fluid.

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Why not roll up the whole damned shirt? ;D
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Lighter fluids main ingredient is NAPHTHA or NAPHTHALENE. It's been around for a long time, & for a while, was a secret war weapon of the ancient GREEKS! It was called 'GREEK FIRE'. a very potent weapon at the time, because water will not put it out. As the ages rolled by 'GREEK FIRE' was tampered with, experimented with, & improved upon, but it was not until those cunning AMERICANS got a hold of it & brought it to it's pinnacle as a horrible, but VERY effective weapon of war, & behold NAPALM was born. I'm sure most of us can recall victims of it's devastating effects in VIETNAM,walking or crawling with their skin hanging off of them like they were dressed in beggars clothes in the worst condition. Except that they were naked & that shredded clothing they were wearing was actually their own ravaged skin! Can you say TOAST? phoenix77 8-)
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You may want to be cautious with fuel oils (lighter fluid). They have a high flash point and low evap rate. This is why you cannot use alcohol in a zippo. Fuel oil like diesel is not meant to evaporate like gasoline or alcohols and will probably burn the crap outta your hand. With fuel oil used in an engine its ignition is not vapor based ie sparkplugs, but rather high compression and heat. If you have ever tried to light a diesel soaked rag you will notice two things. One is that it has to reach a high temp to hit its flash point, and second is, once it lights it burns very hot and is hard to put out. I have been a pyro since a very young age, and have played with many things. By the age of 15 I was assembling things that will turn you into a pink mist *if a mistake was made, and have had my share of close calls. If you follow any tutorials on youtube, do not steer away from the original chems used, unless you have experiance and know the hazards involved.

cool. a friend (who KNOWS some chemistry.....yeah i know that sounds silly) told me that i could try it with alcohol 96%, which has a high evaporation rate but still wont burn my hands....will try to try it tomorrow when i can get hands on some cotton
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I think the key with this one is to make sure and give it a little squeeze so you dont leave a trail of fluid. I used Ronson lighter fluid in an experiment as a hydrocarbon replacement in AMFO, it actually worked quite well. There is some interesting sites with much on the subject(s).

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I think the key with this one is to make sure and give it a little squeeze so you dont leave a trail of fluid. I used Ronson lighter fluid in an experiment as a hydrocarbon replacement in AMFO, it actually worked quite well. There is some interesting sites with much on the subject(s).

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OT but...Your on the APC too? I used to LIVE on that forum...I didn't post too much but I still lurked there 24/7. What's your username there?
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AMFO? do you mean ANFO, I too am in love with energetic reactions.
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i tried it today with 96 alcohol

it just....didnt work. well, i did not burn my hands, but i couldnt maintain the ball on it for more than .01seconds (i had to make it jump high)


i think it was because of the alcohol 96, not the amount of it. i tried with 3 ball sizes with different amounts of alcohol (never soaking wet)

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(i thought the ball shouldnt burn like that.....it took it some time to get burnt like THAT but in the video the guy doesnt get his that carbonized :P)

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as I stated before I think you need to use lighter fluid for this trick. and ball and thread need to be cotton.
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the ball WAS cotton..
lighter fuel = bencine?

dammit i thought i had one barrel around there, it turned out it was GAS and not liquid




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Alcohol has a very low boiling point, and it evaporates rapidly. When you add fire (heat) to the mix, it speeds up the evap even more. Typical lighter fluid found in the tall yellow bottle (Ronson in Canada) for zippo's is a good one or you could try straight up diesel / stove oil. It will be just harder to light, but much harder to put out.
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