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He's really working the MSM now, it's good to watch. Now they are starting to fight among themselves. NY Times ran a story yesterday basically bashing CNN.


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Good! I love it, let them eat each other up until nothing left.... maybe we will end up having less BS in the news.
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Good! I love it, let them eat each other up until nothing left.... maybe we will end up having less BS in the news.

Yeah, need to get rid of these hit pieces and sensationalism.

MSM is always reporting on how stupid Trump is ... he's playing them and it's working. If he were that stupid he A) Wouldn't be a billionaire with his own private 757 and B) Wouldn't be the POTUS, winning against all odds.
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I think so too. Weren't there a few actors who said they would move to Canada if Trump became president? I don't see anything in the news about their leaving yet
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Yeah, there was a bunch of people saying that, but we knew that wouldn't happen. Maybe a few folk did, but not nearly as many as said they would.

Even just the next couple of months is going to be really interesting. Watching the MSM go into meltdown will be entertaining at the least.
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God I just love it.
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Well, looks like WE will be paying for the wall after all. Trumps wants a 20% import tariff on Mexican goods to pay for the wall. This will of course be passed on to us consumers....
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We have a great deal of actors and actresses already working and living here for filming as many film studios have satellite campuses in Vancouver and Toronto.

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If we can make their imports less profitable, that would bring jobs back, but a painful transition.
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The problem is, we simply cannot compete with the cheaper costs of production overseas, or even in Mexico for that matter. Imposing high tariffs would force the importers to pass on the added costs to consumers. Alternatively to source their products here in the US, which would be even more expensive.
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A tariff on Mexican goods assumes they wouldn't hit back with a tariff. If (when?) they do, we're basically right back where we started, except relations are worse because we started a trade war.

Fact: Unskilled Mexican labor costs less than unskilled American labor.
Fact: Unions have no power in most states that "need" manufacturing jobs.

What leads you to believe that, without unions to force high wages, unskilled manufacturing jobs brought back from Mexico would pay enough for Americans to even want them, or better yet, rebuild the middle class? Automation is quickly replacing American manufacturing workers anyway - unless the Trump administration wants to put a large (and growing annually) subsidy in place that incentivizes using American workers, it's not fiscally sustainable. And that subsidy itself most certainly wouldn't be sustainable.

Why not invest in displaced factory workers by providing training and growing the wind and solar industries? The US still has time to become a major global player in that energy technology, and we have a bunch of people that need work and want to make things. By investing in that demographic to the point that they cannot be replaced (at least for a few decades by automation), we can begin to close the human capital gap. If the middle class is to be rebuilt, we must shrink the human capital gap.

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The problem is, we simply cannot compete with the cheaper costs of production overseas, or even in Mexico for that matter. Imposing high tariffs would force the importers to pass on the added costs to consumers. Alternatively to source their products here in the US, which would be even more expensive.
Pretty much. Take a flat panel TV for example. It might cost the consumer $1000 for a tv made in Mexico, and $2500 for an equivalent made here in America. Even with a 20% import tariff, it will NEVER be viable to manufacture the TV here. In the end, it will just make consumers pay 20% more for their TV. It's a lose/lose all around. Trump needs to stop this shit with tariffs and trade wars right away. He's clearly ignorant on economics, and has no idea what he's messing with.
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Pretty much. Take a flat panel TV for example. It might cost the consumer $1000 for a tv made in Mexico, and $2500 for an equivalent made here in America. Even with a 20% import tariff, it will NEVER be viable to manufacture the TV here. In the end, it will just make consumers pay 20% more for their TV. It's a lose/lose all around. Trump needs to stop this shit with tariffs and trade wars right away. He's clearly ignorant on economics, and has no idea what he's messing with.
But that is also because your example is insane. There is no way $1500 goes into labour making that flatscreen tv, regardless if it is made in the us, mexico, europe, china or japan.

They don't make tv's by putting individual pixels onto a glass plate by hand or something like that - most of the cost is in materials, machinery, r&d and such, and another big part of the cost is actually marketing.

If the labour cost was 10% it'd be a different picture overall: You make it in the US at higher wages for $1100, or make it in mexico/china for $1000, which is $1200 after import taxes. This would make domestic production the cheaper option, though the consumer would still pay 10% too much.

The sad news is that import tariffs will only bring back things that -are not- labour intensive. The bad part about that is that it will produce a small number of jobs, though i guess the good would be that these are jobs that add a lot of value and would be well paid.

It's no solution of mass unemployment at all, but it could help to restore a middle class of sorts. Given the wage gap this whole gap would be filled with well educated people (possibly taking them away from academia and such) rather than unskilled people.
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We now have a business man running the county. And I'm sure he will shine well. The folks protesting well sore losers. We really didn't need another Clinton in the while house. Like Bob Mac said it's a fresh start.And I wish him the best
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U.S. President Donald Trump's executive order on Friday that curbs travel to the U.S. for people coming from some seven Muslim-majority countries will mean Canadians with dual citizenship with those countries will temporarily be barred from entering Canada's neighbour to the south.

In an email to CBC News, a spokesperson for the U.S. State Department said: "Beginning January 27, 2017, travellers who have nationality or dual nationality of one of these countries [Iraq, Syria, Sudan, Iran, Somalia, Libya, and Yemen] will not be permitted for 90 days to enter the United States or be issued an immigrant or nonimmigrant visa."
This move by the US state department is absolutely abhorrent on so many levels. I can think of no better term to describe this move. It also effects Canada and Canadians of dual citizenship as well. It will also make life for Syrian refugees traveling to Canada even more difficult if the flights happen to move into US airspace. this executive order could also ban dual US citizens who are already out of the country from coming back in.
Absolutely back asswards thinking on Trumps part.

This move also threatens international lawyers and firms operating transnationally. The picture below is of Leena Yousefi a well known Iranian Canadian immigration Lawyer who travels to Washington state to represent clients. She will no longer be able to conduct her business because of the ban.

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"I'm deeply saddened and offended. We came from Iran because we wanted to get away from that kind of mentality. We wanted our freedom," said Leena Yousefi, a family and immigration lawyer in Vancouver.

"My father was going to be a multimillionaire in Iran. He gave up everything and he brought myself and my sister here so we could have a better future and have freedom."

Yousefi, 34, said she often travels to the U.S. and was hoping to start a new law firm there because she often works with Americans looking to immigrate to Canada.

"We're just completely shocked," she said. "We have family in the United States. We've never had a problem with American people."

Yousefi said she's had a flood of calls from friends in the Persian community who were equally concerned about the ban.

There are 36,950 Iranians living in Canada who do not have Canadian citizenship, according to 2011 numbers from Statistics Canada.


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This move by the US state department is absolutely abhorrent on so many levels. I can think of no better term to describe this move. It also effects Canada and Canadians of dual citizenship as well. It will also make life for Syrian refugees traveling to Canada even more difficult if the flights happen to move into US airspace. this executive order could also ban dual US citizens who are already out of the country from coming back in.
Absolutely back asswards thinking on Trumps part.

This move also threatens international lawyers and firms operating transnationally. The picture below is of Leena Yousefi a well known Iranian Canadian immigration Lawyer who travels to Washington state to represent clients. She will no longer be able to conduct her business because of the ban.
You know this is temporary, right? It's highly unlikely that the ban will remain active for more than a few months. All Trump is doing is trying to temporarily cease the importation of potentially dangerous immigrants by banning them all until they can figure out how pick out the few dangerous ones from the rest of them. Yes it's going to throw a huge wrench in things for some people, but it's not permanent.
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You know this is temporary, right? It's highly unlikely that the ban will remain active for more than a few months. All Trump is doing is trying to temporarily cease the importation of potentially dangerous immigrants by banning them all until they can figure out how pick out the few dangerous ones from the rest of them. Yes it's going to throw a huge wrench in things for some people, but it's not permanent.
A few months is a few months too much. It is frankly outrageous.

It is also a slippery slope, there's no guarantee it will actually be temporary. It is actually a common deception tactic, the guise of temporariness softens the blow of the initial enactment, and over time people get used to it so that when they little by little realize it will never be retracted they don't react as much as they would have otherwise. Not saying this is definitely Trump's intention, but I do suspect it.

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