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I just rewrote googles definition in my own words.

Liberals I know are okay with helping foreigners even though we can't afford it.

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True, but we do need to work on making America first when it comes to jobs, we have been spiraling downward for decades now, more and more jobs lost, less and less pay, inflation eating away at our standard of living for a long time due to that.
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True, but we do need to work on making America first when it comes to jobs, we have been spiraling downward for decades now, more and more jobs lost, less and less pay, inflation eating away at our standard of living for a long time due to that.
I agree, and Multinational corps need to take full responsibility of ignoring American workers. Unfortunately there are both Republican and Democratic contributors that are responsible for this mess. It's a neither sided issue.

One of the biggest single exporters of American jobs is Walmart. It is an Ultramart that makes up 63 different names internationally and allows cheap Chinese products to flood the world market, esp. North America.

The owner of Walmart, Sam Walton was a big supporter of Bill Clinton in 1991. --> Hillary at one point worked as a CEO at Walmart Co.

Trump is no better though he has gone about it differently. Instead of exporting he instead has set up business offshore ( China, Vietnam, Russia, UAE, Indonesia, Turkey, Dominican Republic) to keep the profits away from auditing. Essentially evading business taxes. Also Trump's business was associated with financially supporting Viktor Yanukovych during the start of civil unrest in 2014 in Ukraine.

Both sides don't smell so hot... both sides have involved themselves in some pretty dirty deeds.

One thing is certain, if the America first policy is enacted and successful, Americans will be paying a great deal more for goods. Trade relations with certain countries could suffer as a result.
In this age of globalism, shutting the door on a trade partner could have a negative domino effect. Bringing jobs lost decades ago back to the US suddenly isn't as easy as it sounds.
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Basically a conservative is a person who holds traditional values and thinks carefully about changing things rapidly. Doesn't mean that he/she doesn't accept change but questions it and is cautious about it. Some of my friends are conservative.

A liberal thinks it's fine to throw traditional values in the garbage disposal and is open to new ideas and change. Liberals usually like to tolerate all kinds of things as long as it doesn't hurt them. Some of my friends are liberals and it kills me.
'traditional values", what a nebulous term. very often associated with religious beliefs. for a member of islam, stoning a gay person to death falls under, "traditional values"

just because something has been done for a long time doesnt mean its right, and is a bad justification for it.
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Boiling down two main political ideologies in the US solely to one being "right" and the other "wrong" is rather intellectually dishonest. Conservatives aren't the Axis of Evil nor are liberals the Paragon of Goodness.




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The statement was "what's the definition of conservative and liberal" the words themselves tell you the definition. ( how or where you apply it is totality up to you) The word "conserve" means to keep, the word "liberal" means to be freed from, (to deny this is intellectually dishonest). So the question remains, what does the conservative want to conserve that the liberal wants to be freed from?



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I just rewrote googles definition in my own words.

Liberals I know are okay with helping foreigners even though we can't afford it.

I tolerate stuff, I just can't do anything to change it so I just tolerate it. Just tryin to be nice everyday.
Crazlaser, is googles definition the best definition?
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The thing is, as a percentage of the GDP, foreign aid is a very small expenditure, and arguably and amazingly good investment. So regardless of whether you want to view it from a liberal humanitarian angle, or a republican fiscal conservative angle, it's a damn good thing for the US to do. What I would love to see is less militarized foreign involvement by america. Want to fight your damn wars over some book, and some guy from 2000 years ago? Go for it, leave us out of it. Let's help the people who are hurt in the crossfire though, and only protect them, do not engage.
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I'm sure enjoying seeing some folk squirm over Trump being president, popcorn time
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The more I see the hate towards him the more I smile, their turn to squirm, I did with Obama for eight long years.
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Obama was not nearly so far left as he is made out to be. By most standards he was far more near the center. Though I do absolutely hate the way he behaved with regards to how his administration acted toward the press, and how secretive it was. That, coming from the guy who ran promising the most open and honest administration ever.

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I would like that, if true. I don't know, time will tell but when he was president I had the impression he was trying to do everything he could to remold the US into a muslim haven. Nothing wrong with being Muslim, of course, except for the radical ones and those who want to have their own separate system of law. I would be no happier if he was trying to remold the country to have more Christians too, or what ever religion because I don't agree with personal religious agendas from anyone in government, whatever they are.
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Today, most of the senior management at the State Department either resigned or were forced out. These are people who have worked with multiple past presidents. They took with them a huge amount of institutional memory, and there's really no place in the private sector to find someone with the kind of talents needed to fill those jobs.

Even though a lot of our foreign policy over the last twenty years was misguided, it was at least executed by capable people who understood day-to-day operations of, say, a consulate.

The loss of those personnel will be felt long after Trump leaves office. This is not a partisan issue.

Re: The "Obama was worse than Trump" narrative, at least Obama didn't make policy decisions based on what he saw on Bill O'Reilly or the Daily Show. I mean... jesus.

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Today, most of the senior management at the State Department either resigned or were forced out. These are people who have worked with multiple past presidents. They took with them a huge amount of institutional memory, and there's really no place in the private sector to find someone with the kind of talents needed to fill those jobs.

Even though a lot of our foreign policy over the last twenty years was misguided, it was at least executed by capable people who understood day-to-day operations of, say, a consulate.

The loss of those personnel will be felt long after Trump leaves office. This is not a partisan issue.

Re: The "Obama was worse than Trump" narrative, at least Obama didn't make policy decisions based on what he saw on Bill O'Reilly or the Daily Show. I mean... jesus.

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Heard about it too.. what a scary turn of events. things are about to get very serious--> dire in short order.

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