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Unfortunately the violent protestors don't comprehend that the violence makes whatever they think and feel--them-- completely meaningless--all they are is accidents looking for a place to happen and/or criminals.

Protest in general accomplishes little if anything and violence makes it meaningless and useless.



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Yup, even when I agree with protestors, they immediately lose my support when they start to damage private property, especially in their very own neighborhoods. I don't understand how after the examples of civic leaders, and protests that we have had in the past, we are still seeing this on a very regular basis. I guess we'll just have to keep dreaming.
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Yup, even when I agree with protestors, they immediately lose my support when they start to damage private property, especially in their very own neighborhoods. I don't understand how after the examples of civic leaders, and protests that we have had in the past, we are still seeing this on a very regular basis. I guess we'll just have to keep dreaming.
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I watched some of the antifa protests from the Deploraball last night, and although things never really escalated (which is a good thing), the vulgarity and child-like nature of the protestors made it hard to respect them or take their cause seriously.

I mean, chanting F*** Fox news for 10 minutes while wearing a rainbow hijab and a ski mask doesn't exactly make you look like an adult.

I'm just glad it's over. Fortunately, I don't think we're going to have to worry about any serious assassination attempts, since the kind of people that would be willing to kill Trump probably dislike Pence even more.
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I mean, chanting F*** Fox news for 10 minutes while wearing a rainbow hijab and a ski mask doesn't exactly make you look like an adult.

I'm just glad it's over. Fortunately, I don't think we're going to have to worry about any serious assassination attempts, since the kind of people that would be willing to kill Trump probably dislike Pence even more.
Its been like that since I can remember. Its a he'll of an insurance policy.
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Such destruction is really odd indeed. I see people on the news that protest against Trump, but smashing in storefront windows fairly randomly, i presume most of those companies have nothing to do with the man at all.

Peaceful protest is a right and that's fine, but vandalizing and probably looting retail stores is not part of that.

It's also unclear what these people are protesting against. If the elections were grossly unfair or rigged i can imagine there being a point to it. But it seems they have been as fair as most elections before it, and these people just rampage because they don't like the outcome of a fair election.
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I'm happy that this election season is over. Trump was far from my first choice, but Hillary shouldn't have been the democratic nominee.

It sucks that the election made so many people feel alienated from the democratic process though. Not that the riots are justified, but protests are understandable. I just hope Trump at least tries to meet people halfway so that they feel included. The US isn't supposed to be divided like this.

I can only hope for the best, but I hope our new congress uses their best judgement to keep him in check and protect the American people from potentially harmful policies.
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well, his businees qualifications aside, the point of running a business is to make profit. the point of running a nation is to care for it's citizens. now increasing efficiency and decreasing waste spending can certainly be care for citizens, but I think that's where the overlap ends. I'm not exactly holding my breath.

I hope Hillary never runs again. America obviously isnt that into her. while not a trump supporter, I sure sympathized with the "lock her up" chants, although I condemn her for other reasons apart from the whole email thing
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The government website has been updated, and it is very depressing indeed.. Especially the energy plan page, I pray that he will either change his mind or be hindered from doing what he says he will. Embracing the shale oil and gas revolution? Revive America's coal industry? It would wreak havoc on the environment and affect everyone on the planet. All because he thinks it will be financially beneficial for America, but of course it won't, because the health of the environment is tightly intertwined with the economy, and because fossil fuels are becoming obsolete either way. https://www.whitehouse.gov/america-first-energy
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Unfortunately there aren't anymore rabbits to pull out of the hat. We could continue federal spending on infrastructure but that causes pollution and habitat destruction. We could have another run at real estate (read eat the children). How about solar panels? Obama ran that. Ended up in flames. We could make hmmm well china probably makes it at half the cost. Idk. America would destroy the world if it were to embrace the shale oil and gas revolution... I don't think so. We aren't the only ant hill on this rock.
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Unfortunately there aren't anymore rabbits to pull out of the hat. We could continue federal spending on infrastructure but that causes pollution and habitat destruction. We could have another run at real estate (read eat the children). How about solar panels? Obama ran that. Ended up in flames. We could make hmmm well china probably makes it at half the cost. Idk. America would destroy the world if it were to embrace the shale oil and gas revolution... I don't think so. We aren't the only ant hill on this rock.
There are plenty of alternatives. Not sure what you mean by solar panels ending up in flames. Solar is just becoming better and better by the day, it is already a cheaper source of energy than fossil fuels in many areas with no signs of progress slowing down. There's also nuclear which is still vastly superior to oil, gas and coal.

Also, don't misunderstand, I'm not saying that Trump's plans will black/white make or break the environment, but it will make a difference. We are already fighting a losing battle, and every party needs to pull their weight. Trump, with his anti-scientific and reckless approach will negate the efforts of many other nations. Yes, there are others who pollute a lot, but as far as I know, they all recognize that it is a problem and is working to fix it. China for example has been very aggressively investing in green energy. Trump is the only leader of a superpower that ignores the problem and is regressing instead of progressing. Well, Tony Abbott of Australia was pretty awful too but luckily his term is over now.

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I hope Hillary never runs again. America obviously isnt that into her.
I would not be overly worried about that option - in 4 years she'll probably no longer able to "run" for anything other than the buffet in a retirement home

Perhaps mrs Obama could give it a go, though i would not give that much of a chance of winning either, unless Trum really fucks up badly and he is still a candidate by then.

As for the whole fossil fuel thing: I think this is about securing energy independence first by tapping into domestic shale oil and gas to the point where the US is no longer dependent on import from any country with which relations could go sour.

It still is a finite resource though, so using domestic fossil fuels if needed is not a bad strategy, even if you are building alternative solutions like solar in the meantime. Having a healthy energy mix with redundancy is a good thing.

In europe we see the problems with going green already. Germany invested heavily in solar, to the point where in sunny summer days the production exceeds demand. Being connected to the european grid this excess can be dumped, but at times the prices even go negative. They also pay premium rates for power from other countries when it's not that sunny outside. The net effect is that the price of electrical power for consumers in germany goes up over time.
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The website change was not really due to Trump specifically and would have occurred if Hillary or anyone else would have won too. The website is updated whenever a new administration enters the white house. Lots good reasons to be upset, but that's not one of them.

I see Trump is pulling out of TPP and will be renegotiating NAFTA.... I'm for that, and I hope by now it's quite clear I'm a bit of a leftie, with strong libertarian leanings

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Since this will probably end up being the main politics thread for the near future, I think this is a appropriate place for this:

The Political Compass

It'd be interesting to see where we all stand quantifiably.

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