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I see Trump's ban like this...

Say there is a terrorist event in a large building like...
say Trump Towers...
The Police/Authorities get there within minutes and the
Terrorist is suspected to be still in the building.
What is the logical thing to do...
Let all the guests leave at will or...
Lock down the entire building temporarily and srutinize
every guest one at a time to find the guilty suspect.

I'm sure all the family members of/and any innocent guests
would be outraged that they were suspects under house
arrest.
Like they say... You can't please all the people all the time.

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It's not our job to be the world First Responders. First we are the world police with the Korean War and War in Iraq. In Iraq we pull out too soon. Just imagine the cops arriving to stop a burglary. Three children in the closet, one adult held hostage at gun point. The police leave the seen after only stopping one of two burglars allowing the other to call for backup, find the kids hiding in the closet and start a rampage.

After being world police, now we're world rescue service. Our government literally has no money. Even if they were to raise money in some other way to help the refugees, that money needs to go to pay back debt that we already owe.

Helping refugees shouldn't be a government priority but a personal effort and organization effort to help them. Our country went through a civil war just like many of theirs, and many Americans died in that war which is to be expected in a civil war. We can't save everyone. It's sad but it's the truth.

It blows my mind how people think we should pay for more when we owe so much. If anything, paying more should be for national security, not being world EMS and cops.


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Yeah... I can see Trump going by his CEO experience...
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The problem with the Trump Tower analogy, is people from certain floors are still being let out, without screening, and it is known for a fact a bunch of terrorists came from those floors.
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Well would you rather all floors were open? The ban can still be extended to other countries, Trump probably only banned the 7 he did to minimize backlash. Can you even imagine the outrage if he banned every suspect country?
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No, I would rather they either be all closed, or all open. Not leaving open just the ones that he has business dealings with. The ban is ridiculous given how many terrorists did actually come from Saudi Arabia.
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The countries on the list were the same ones Barry put on a travel ban a few years ago. There was no outrage. Why the outrage now? Why so critical now? 8 years of subversion and the brainwashed masses are triggered.
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The countries on the list were the same ones Barry put on a travel ban a few years ago. There was no outrage. Why the outrage now? Why so critical now? 8 years of subversion and the brainwashed masses are triggered.
It's not about brainwashed masses, it's about diplomacy and treating your fellow human beings and allied countries with some respect.
This morning's phone call to Australian PM is such an example of a complete lack of regard for other nations.


The outrage comes from several key areas.

a) Most countries and airlines were not notified ahead of time to get ready for a major executive order of this magnitude. As I have mentioned earlier, the ban is not just for people entering the US, but also travelling through the US to other countries. The airspace, land/sea border crossings are now shut to 7 countries/their citizens or dual citizens of those countries holding US passports or green cards. This means that all international flights have been effected going to/from the US.
US customs was not prepared to enforce this executive order. Major confusions at all ports of entry lead to Canadian citizens of Iraqi, Syrian, Sudanese, Iranian, Somalian, Libyan, and Yemenese origin also being denied entry.

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Dr. Parsin Hajireza is a prominent Alberta biomedical engineer, who was born in Iran and holds a Canadian permanent resident card, said he was denied entry into the United States Saturday as confusion surrounding President Donald Trump’s immigration ban lingers.

Dr. Hajireza, who works on cancer research and is part of the departments of Electrical & Computer Engineering at the University of Alberta, said he and five colleagues from his research team were heading to the States to attend a biomedical engineering conference in San Francisco. They were scheduled to speak about their photoacoustic remote sensing system, which focuses on biomedical devices, particularly related to cancer imaging.

Hajireza’s colleagues were able to board their flights but he said he was denied a boarding pass. He said he was travelling with his permanent residency card and a travel visa he obtained from the United States Consulate in Calgary prior to the trip.

“At the airport, unfortunately, they did not let me to pass through,” Hajireza said Sunday. “They told me that because I was born in Iran I can’t pass through the airport.

“There was no other explanation. No documents, nothing written, no statement, no stamp on my passport, nothing. They just gave my passport back and said, ‘sorry, we can’t do anything.’”

b) Those people now banned (for 90 days) from entering the US, quite a few were working and or studying ( at least a few stories of senior cancer researchers at UCLA, being denied as they had dual Iranian/US citizenship). At least a few were also working at the top level in major companies and were contributing to the US economy. Many now are unable to come back to their homes that they legally own and have been denied access to their families.

c) "international community needs dialogue & cooperation to address the roots of violence & extremism in a comprehensive & inclusive manner."

This message was loud and clear at the UN by all UN members.
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Obama's ban also did not extend to permanent residents, and existing visa holders, nor affected people transiting, as Seol already pointed out. So it seems the main point left, is Obama did similar stuff, no one complained, that's why we should just sit quietly now?

I'm not opposed to some form of a ban, and proper checks for people entering, or say limiting refugee acceptance only to families with children, but it's crazy to have this kind of ban by executive order, without taking into account where most terrorists and funding for terrorism come from, and it is ABSOLUTELY crazy to include permanent residents in the ban.
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Obama's ban also did not extend to permanent residents, and existing visa holders, nor affected people transiting, as Seol already pointed out. So it seems the main point left, is Obama did similar stuff, no one complained, that's why we should just sit quietly now?

I'm not opposed to some form of a ban, and proper checks for people entering, or say limiting refugee acceptance only to families with children, but it's crazy to have this kind of ban by executive order, without taking into account where most terrorists and funding for terrorism come from, and it is ABSOLUTELY crazy to include permanent residents in the ban.
Agreed, InfinitusEquitas
Banning a country because of a potential threat. (esp. Iraq in 2011) was fine. All countries and airlines were put on notice a few months ahead of the ban (this did NOT effect dual citizens btw) it was aimed at the refugee program.

As the top executive for the CIA has now repeatedly stated, Trumps ban plays directly into Terrorist plans as it creates an us vs them atmosphere for recruiting purposes. Also something to point out is that since this ban has been enacted well over 100,000 people have been denied entry to the US. Many are dual citizens. Some are even Canadian and British citizens Pretty shameful.
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I'm not opposed to some form of a ban, and proper checks for people entering, or say limiting refugee acceptance only to families with children, but it's crazy to have this kind of ban by executive order, without taking into account where most terrorists and funding for terrorism come from, and it is ABSOLUTELY crazy to include permanent residents in the ban.
Stand sit scream or be quiet. Doesn't matter the pendulum swings both ways. I didn't have a problem when Barry did it and I don't now. But coming from the last 8 years of silence to this onslaught of miserable codependents separated from their savior...it's disgusting to witness. But if it makes you feel good do it. Why not do it in the roads. Man. Smh.
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Stand sit scream or be quiet. Doesn't matter the pendulum swings both ways. I didn't have a problem when Barry did it and I don't now. But coming from the last 8 years of silence to this onslaught of miserable codependents separated from their savior...it's disgusting to witness. But if it makes you feel good do it. Why not do it in the roads. Man. Smh.
Agreed. It's indeed disgusting to witness a country which prides itself on being the pinnacle of freedom and democracy in the world denying even the most basic rights to innocent people solely based on their place of birth, even now without legal representation. What century do we live in?

Honesty, you can't see a problem with this?


This goes far above and beyond just petty partisan politics. The path the US is on now is utterly, completely divisive and destructive.
Trump is hellbent on ruining relations with long standing allied countries and the UN. (purposefully or not)
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Stand sit scream or be quiet. Doesn't matter the pendulum swings both ways. I didn't have a problem when Barry did it and I don't now. But coming from the last 8 years of silence to this onslaught of miserable codependents separated from their savior...it's disgusting to witness. But if it makes you feel good do it. Why not do it in the roads. Man. Smh.
You are painting me with a rather broad brush assuming that I didn't have a problem with Obama's actions.

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Agreed. It's indeed disgusting to witness a country which prides itself on being the pinnacle of freedom and democracy in the world denying even the most basic rights to innocent people solely based on their place of birth, even now without legal representation. What century do we live in?

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I am not sure how wide a swath you are painting in regard to innocents, or their specific circumstances, but the American Constitution is just that, for Americans. Our Constitution gives no rights to citizens of other countries, we have no obligation. Give rights? Uh? Where is the disconnect in thinking they should have the same rights that American citizens have? Why? How about Canada, let them go there instead.
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The countries on the list were the same ones Barry put on a travel ban a few years ago. There was no outrage. Why the outrage now? Why so critical now? 8 years of subversion and the brainwashed masses are triggered.
That's simple.. It is an outrage now because it is Trump...
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Those folk are really brain dead then.
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Dont get me wrong. I don't like trump. There is plenty of bull surrounding the trump name. But name one borderless country. Sure there is a time n the future where this could happen successfully. But it would have to be a godless utopian world. We re surrounded with other peoples/countries problems. We have our own divisions to deal with. In these times borders are a nesessity.
I take issue with those that were silent for the last 8 years and are suddenly on a rampage. There was plenty to march about, burn cities down, riot. But the offended parties in those times were different.
But do not act like you do not recognize the objectives of the media outlets the people are addicted to. Exploiting the addicts need to seek and find acceptance by regurgitating the talking heads they look to to make up their minds. I see this every single day. Its like football for politics. Regurgitating clipped data to each other as if they discovered it themselves. And then hear it spit back up to confirm agreeance. This is like a soccer game where after one team loses they turn the area upside down and inside out. That is the world we live in.
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