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Actually he (Cornell) clashed with the Audioslave members partially due to their playing in Rage Against the Machine. Political views were VERY strong in both frontmen.

btw, kinda off topic ... Cornell did a now famous version of Zacharias Manuel de la Rocha's Sleep now in the Fire and a horribly strained version Killing in the name of after Rage split up in 2000. I have a huge amount of respect for both artists. Talk about 2 songs with deep significance to our present day situation.



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Actually he (Cornell) clashed with the Audioslave members partially due to their playing in Rage Against the Machine. Political views were VERY strong in both frontmen.

btw, kinda off topic ... Cornell did a now famous version of Zacharias Manuel de la Rocha's Sleep now in the Fire and a horribly strained version Killing in the name of after Rage split up in 2000. I have a huge amount of respect for both artists. Talk about 2 songs with deep significance to our present day situation.
Having just watched both videos and never having heard Cornell or the band before all I can say is that the band sucks--most High School kid bands are better.. The musicians have little technical skill and/or musical ability/talent.

Anyone could play a guitar at that level within 2 weeks of first picking up a guitar--Cornells band have no real technical playiing ability nor musical talent/musical sense ---all they do is make noise for the most part--not music.

If that was Mr. Cornell's only vocal style/voice --suicide or no suicide, he is not of much use as a singer--not a good vocalist in much in the same sense that the band is not as good as most High School level pop/rock bands. Cornell has a horrible growly non-musical voice --To give Cornell the benefit of the doubt, it could be the material is very lackluster and he could do better if the song were less noise , more music.

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Having just watched both videos and never having heard Cornell or the band before all I can say is that the band sucks--most High School kid bands are better.. The musicians have little technicall or musical ability/talent.

Anyone could play at that level within 2 weeks of first picking up a guitar--they have no real technical playiing ability nor musical talent/ musical sense ---all they do is make noise for the most part--not music.

If that was Mr. Cornell's only voical style/voice --suicide or no suicide, he is not of much use as a singer--not a good vocalist in much in the same sense that the band is not as good as most High School level pop/rock bands. Cornell has a horrible growly non-musical voice --To give Cornell the benefit of the doubt, it could be the material is very lackluster and he could do better if the song were less noise , more music.
Lol, He was only one of a few artists that had a 4 octave range and had a quite a few songs that would become grammy award winning/classics.
Black Hole Sun is one such example.
Those 2 videos show cased De la Rocha's work (aren't actually that great). Chris seriously struggled later in his career with strained vocal cords due to his intense singing style.


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Lol, He was only one of a few artists that had a 4 octave range and had a quite a few songs that would become grammy award winning/classics.
Black Hole Sun is one such example.
Those 2 videos show cased De la Rocha's work (aren't actually that great). Chris seriously struggled later in his career with strained vocal cords due to his intense singing style.
Maybe, to you, that means something, I can see that it does, for reasons unkown.
OK-- yes, not good that he killed himself/died, however, death does not make him anything more than he was while alive/living.

Yes, Cornell had a 3 octave vocal range--which is unusual but as a practical matter that does not mean much if nobody has heard him/hears him excercise that vocal range and in a way that is memorable to other people/the listener. In this case must absolutely not be just a retarded depressed lunatic grunge growns vocal, either
Vocal range in and of itself is not the most determining factor in singing, not even a close second.

Cornell was nominated for a Grammy 9 times but never won one.
9 time Grammy award loser is not exactly an accolade but nominated is a little something. He won some MTV awards whatever they mean.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Cornell

Everything he recorded had peak chart position not better than in the high teens except one that was #10. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Cornell_discography

He was active and was able to keep working, to his credit did a lot of movie work -not easy to do.

I do not think any of Chris Cornell's music or performances are strong enough to past the test of time.--As it is now in 2017 probably only 1 in 1000( And the number is probably a whole lot higher than 1000) who love pop/rock music todayright now, have ever heard of Cornelll and/or have ever heard any of his performances recorded or otherwise
What will be the case in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years 30 years, 50 years?
Nothing Cornell has ever done can even remotely be considered an enduring musical "classic" or a musical achievement of any special note. I don't imagine that will change just because he is dead/killed himself.

I could be wrong about Cornell and his work/music product but I don't think so.
If Cornell has done anything notably outstanding/exceptional so as to be a timeless composition that wil endure, and a please give a song or performance link that you feel is so outstanding in all ways that in 50 yaers everyone wil still instantly recognize, appreciate, and enjoy it.
Something on the same level as say the song: "Yesterday" written by Paul McCartney (credited to Lennon-McCartney) first released in UK in 1965-- 52 years ago-- which remains popular today with more than 2,200 cover versions and is one of the most covered songs in the history of recorded music.
"Yesterday" was voted the best song of the 20th century in a 1999 BBC Radio 2 poll of music experts and listeners and was also voted the No. 1 pop song of all time by MTV and Rolling Stone magazine the following year. In 1997, the song was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame. Broadcast Music Incorporated (BMI) asserts that it was performed over seven million times in the 20th century"
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Perhaps not really. Alaska surely has a high rate of suicide, but it's not -that- much higher compared to some countries around the world.

Even in a generally considered to be happy country like the netherlands, suicide rates are not that low. Per capita it is lower than alaska, but still very significant: about 2 to 3 times more people die from suicide here than from traffic accidents, and it is the most common cause of death for men between 20 and 45.

At age 52 it could be that suicide actually still is the most common cause of death, though medical causes tend to start overtaking it at that age.

I don't know if 52 is the new 27, but i do know i've lost a lot of people i knew to it in the 40 to 60 age bracket. None of them were famous, but when i hear of a death of someone i know in that age range i really just assume suicide unless it was something clearly different like a road accident or someone already suffering from fatal disease.
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Maybe to you that means something, I can see that it does, for reasons unknown.
OK yes not good that he killed himself/died--but death does not make him anything more than he was in life.

Yes Cornell had a 3 octave vocal range--which is unusual but as a practical matter that does not mean much if nobody has heard you/hears you exercise that vocal range. Vocal range in and of itself is not the most determining factor in singing.

Cornell was nominated for a Grammy 9 times but never won one.
9 time Grammy award loser is not exactly an accolade but nominated is a little something. He won some MTV awards whatever they mean.
See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Cornell

Everything he recorded had peak chart position not better than in the high teens except one that was #10. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Cornell_discography

He was active and was able to keep working, to his credit did a lot of movie work -not easy to do.

I do not think any of Chris Cornell's music or performances are strong enough to past the test of time.--As it is now in 2017 probably only 1 in 1000( And the number is probably a whole lot higher than 1000) who love pop/rock music today right now, have ever heard of Cornell and/or have ever heard any of his performances recorded or otherwise
What will be the case in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years 30 years, 50 years?
Nothing Cornell has ever done can even remotely be considered an enduring musical "classic" or a musical achievement of any special note. I don't imagine that will change just because he is dead/killed himself.

I could be wrong about Cornell and his work/music product but I don't think so.
If Cornell has done anything notably outstanding/exceptional so as to be a timeless composition that will endure, and a please give a song or performance link that you feel is so outstanding in all ways that in 50 years everyone will still instantly recognize, appreciate, and enjoy it.
Something on the same level as say the song: "Yesterday" written by Paul McCartney (credited to Lennon-McCartney) first released in UK in 1965-- 52 years ago-- which remains popular today with more than 2,200 cover versions and is one of the most covered songs in the history of recorded music.
"Yesterday" was voted the best song of the 20th century in a 1999 BBC Radio 2 poll of music experts and listeners and was also voted the No. 1 pop song of all time by MTV and Rolling Stone magazine the following year. In 1997, the song was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame. Broadcast Music Incorporated (BMI) asserts that it was performed over seven million times in the 20th century"
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yesterday_(Beatles_song)
I get it you don't like Cornell..
Chris did a lot of work with other bands including Pearl Jam and Rage Against the Machine, Temple of the Dog, Alice in Chains.. I might not like his political views either, nor his ongoing personal issues with Zack De la Rocha of RATM but one cannot ignore the contribution he made to the music industry in the 90's and early 2000's like it or not... .

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I do not think any of Chris Cornell's music or performances are strong enough to past the test of time.--As it is now in 2017 probably only 1 in 1000( And the number is probably a whole lot higher than 1000) who love pop/rock music today right now, have ever heard of Cornell and/or have ever heard any of his performances recorded or otherwise
What will be the case in 5 years, 10 years, 20 years 30 years, 50 years?
Nothing Cornell has ever done can even remotely be considered an enduring musical "classic" or a musical achievement of any special note. I don't imagine that will change just because he is dead/killed himself.
We'll just have to wait and see won't we? I hope so.

I personally choose to honour Chris for his work he left for all of us to hear.
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I suppose the name might be forgotten. I bet anyone adult or adolescent in the 90s will recognize 'black hole sun' but probably not know who the person performing was - perhaps just the band name?

Suicide might have an impact on remembering an artist name i believe. Let's take Kurt Cobain for an example. His suicide was quite a bit of news back at the time, but if that didn't happen most people would probably still remember the songs but associate it only with the bandname 'nirvana'.
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I had never heard Black Hole Sun before this thread. It isn't the type of music I'd listen to. Don't listen to rap or disco or country and western either. But, that's just me. Sad to see him go all the same.
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I suppose the name might be forgotten. I bet anyone adult or adolescent in the 90s will recognize 'black hole sun' but probably not know who the person performing was - perhaps just the band name?

Suicide might have an impact on remembering an artist name i believe. Let's take Kurt Cobain for an example. His suicide was quite a bit of news back at the time, but if that didn't happen most people would probably still remember the songs but associate it only with the bandname 'nirvana'.
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I had never heard Black Hole Sun before this thread. It isn't the type of music I'd listen to. Don't listen to rap or disco or country and western either. But, that's just me. Sad to see him go all the same.
I had never heard of Cornell or Black Hole Sun and I was very around as an adult in the 1990s as well as in earlier decades and later decades>>>today.

I just listened to and watched the Black Hole Sun video and I can't imagine why anyone would want to endure listening to or watching it more than once. Is nothing specail or even very musical It is very so/so at best and the eccentric chord combinations are acutally annoying to much of the time beacuse it is not what Western music is about.
It is OK /different/ so-so both vocally and instrumentally-- I'll give Cornell that much. The video is on the retarded side of stupid silly and meaningless however.

I can't find any reason why anyone would want listen to depression driven, relatively obscure, oddball tone wise, and not very good grunge music that mostly isn't even musical--just loud noise and the band is just a low q level bunch of untalented hacks--horrific .

I did ask about approx.15 people in the past few days if they had heard that rock musician Chris Cornell killed himself.
Without exception they did not recognise the name and asked " Who is Chris Cornell?"

Maybe whatever he did had some appeal to "heavy metal " social misfit offshoot alternative music fans/people, who knows..

Chris Cornell kept himself "out there" and working but not much more that. His unusual disphonic voice and odd chord structured music creations and depressive illness driven songs/lyrics never caught on except with a small eccentric crowd of heavery metal and - people..ex heavy metal

Am not happy to hear that someone who tried very hard and valiently to overcome his mental disability succombed to it resulting in death----that of course only makes him an example of what to avoid and not di in life.
Even a good loser, is still a loser.

Cornell did achieve some small success and then killed himslef, however, that does not change anything he did or was when alive which on a godd day and with his best material was no more than a 5 on a scale of 1 to 10, unfortunately.
Cornell never did much of any signnificance as an Artist relative to other Artist wh did much better in the music business.

Cornell and whatever band were simply "also rans" of little significance in the music business and that is exactly what it is---a business just like any other--nothhg more.

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Why do I have a feeling a couple people commenting in here would also hate on Nickelback? :/

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I suppose the name might be forgotten. I bet anyone adult or adolescent in the 90s will recognize 'black hole sun' but probably not know who the person performing was - perhaps just the band name?

Suicide might have an impact on remembering an artist name i believe. Let's take Kurt Cobain for an example. His suicide was quite a bit of news back at the time, but if that didn't happen most people would probably still remember the songs but associate it only with the bandname 'nirvana'.
I rarely pay attention to the names of actors or musicians. You could probably ask me the names of musicians in the most popular rock and alternative bands out there and I probably wouldn't know more than 5 of them.
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I also never heard of him till Seoul posted and he was mentioned on the Sports channel of all places but more for his love of Washington State based sport teams..
Grunge isn't my cup of tea to the point of despising it just like I do any slam dancing type of music that has the neo nazi following. I can't even make out half of the word's as it all screaming.
Seoul, thats your preference and all the power to you as you are your own man and any suicide is painful to all family's involved.
Being though this depressive music has a following and I can see young kids battling with this issue following this man and his lyric's, I see many copy cat suicides ruining more family's coming because of his choice
Wasn't it also just a few years ago that there was a trend of teenagers committing suicide just because they believed they would go out with a bang of glory??
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That happens within families too, if one family member kills themselves, it raises the odds more members of that family will do so too.
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