Bin Laden is dead!

HIMNL9 said:

No problems ..... *launching photoshop* ..... what day and newspaper name do you want, in the pic ? .....

eg: :crackup

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yeah true *facepalms self*

Trevor said:

Hey guys, Osama bin Laden was really a secret government nuclear space unicorn.

Lololololololololololololololol I can do it too! Am I doing it right?

Seriously, shut up. If you're so eager to proclaim it's a conspiracy, go make videos so that I can not watch them.

-Trevor

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I Think Everyone Should be Entitled to have there Own Opinion. There are a Lot of Facts that are Wrong but Honestly if You Really Watch Everything and Double Check the Information Some things are Not fully explained and they are bringing up Valid Questions.

Why Do people so Easily Attack people when they are just bringing up something they do Honestly Feel is really Important. Telling people to GTFO is kinda messed up. They are Just Trying to Share something they feel is Very Important. I think the auto bashing that people get is kinda harsh. There Not Yelling at you and being Rude so Why Do They Deserve It? Just because they have a idea you don't Like or Oppose? I guess it's because it's very close to your heart but you have to understand were on the Internet and Everyones not Exactly Like You and Might have some Ideas you doing Like, Or Maybe they are wrong. But yelling at them like that isn't a constructive conversation. You Should uses facts and points to make you point why it's wrong. And If You Feel You Can't Have a Logical conversation then just Agree to Disagree and go take your heart meds...

I Do Agree that you guys shouldn't be double and triple posting stuff, Bombarding people with to much information just irritates them. Just stick to main points that have solid facts (That you have Really Cheacked out from many angles and It's Valid) and stick to them and help explain them rather than go "look at this" and "look at this", "oh what about this?" Just do 3-5 main points and don't go over board and I think we should be all Ok with that??

:thinking:

It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, RIH bin Laden.

Peace,
dave

Let's oversimplify here:

People that believe 9/11 was done by the Al Qaeda are people that believe everything the government tells them.

People that believe it was a government consipracy are people that believe everything they read on the internet.

Which is worse?

Go play outside. Always flipping out about how everyone is conspiring against you will only hasten the end of your life by way of stress-induced heart attack.

Double- and triple-posting with articles and videos made by people with no true credentials only spoils any sort of credibility your "ideas" may or may not have.

-Trevor

Trevor said:

Let's oversimplify here:

People that believe 9/11 was done by the Al Qaeda are people that believe everything the government tells them.

People that believe it was a government consipracy are people that believe everything they read on the internet.

Which is worse?

Go play outside. Always flipping out about how everyone is conspiring against you will only hasten the end of your life by way of stress-induced heart attack.

Double- and triple-posting with articles and videos made by people with no true credentials only spoils any sort of credibility your "ideas" may or may not have.

-Trevor

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People aren't all in a Category Like you Claim. there are many different perspectives all doing variations of both.

You have to understand Everyone isn't Always Right, and when something is Re-Report as False it doesn't get 2% of the attention of the Breaking News Headlines. Just my 2 Cents

Krogith said:

People aren't all in a Category Like you Claim. there are many different perspectives all doing variations of both.

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Please note that I stated "let's oversimplify here" in the very first line of my post.

My whole problem with conspiracy theories is that they tend to ignore things... :tired:

Krogith said:

You have to understand Everyone isn't Always Right, and when something is Re-Report as False it doesn't get 2% of the attention of the Breaking News Headlines. Just my 2 Cents

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Are you saying that the conspiracy theorists didn't do the Googling required to find the later, more accurate information? Or they did, but chose not to report it because it goes counter to their claims?

Conspiracy theorists don't give you the whole truth! It's a conspiracy! :tinfoil:

-Trevor

Trevor said:

Please note that I stated "let's oversimplify here" in the very first line of my post.

My whole problem with conspiracy theories is that they tend to ignore things... :tired:



Are you saying that the conspiracy theorists didn't do the Googling required to find the later, more accurate information? Or they did, but chose not to report it because it goes counter to their claims?

The Regular News Is the biggest Culprit of this. But Some Stubborn People in the Really extremist End of the conspiracy theorist do it as well.

Conspiracy theorists don't give you the whole truth! It's a conspiracy! :tinfoil:

-Trevor

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Thats the Main Issue Tho:

Everyone Does what Your Doing. They Lob them all into that same category and then Ignore Valid Facts because they have Shut there mine Off.

Krogith said:

Thats the Main Issue Tho:

Everyone Does what Your Doing. They Lob them all into that same category and then Ignore Valid Facts because they have Shut there mine Off.

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It seems you're lumping me into a group of everyone who opposes conspiracy theorists, and telling me that "we" all do the same thing.

That's so hilariously hypocritical.

So you're saying I've shut my "mine" off (oh noes, where will I get my coal)... please lay out your argument to prove it.

-Trevor

Trevor said:

Hey guys, Osama bin Laden was really a secret government nuclear space unicorn.

Lololololololololololololololol I can do it too! Am I doing it right?

Seriously, shut up. If you're so eager to proclaim it's a conspiracy, go make videos so that I can not watch them.

-Trevor

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^^Thats Not Shutting Your "Mind" Off? That Statement Put you into the "We" Category of people who just tell people to shut up if they have a view you strongly oppose.

I'm really not trying to argue, I answered your question. I just wanted the telling people to "Shut Up" To Stop.:undecided: I'd rather read a Valid Interchange of ideas... I Forgot I was On-line :banghead: :na:

Krogith said:

^^Thats Not Shutting Your "Mind" Off? That Statement Put you into the "We" Category of people who just tell people to shut up if they have a view you strongly oppose.

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You've been on the internet long enough to see when an obvious troll is obvious. My post is in direct contrast with the ridiculous spammy double-posts of videos by someone who doesn't actually have credentials. When I see posts like SpecV's, I think to myself "I can't tell if you're really stupid or just trolling..."

At least you know I'm trolling.

You say everyone is entitled to their own opinion, am I not entitled to my belief about Mr. bin Laden being a unicorn? People are just as entitled to their belief in my statement as they are to anything that spills from Alex Jones' mouth.

Krogith said:

I'm really not trying to argue, I answered your question. I just wanted the telling people to "Shut Up" To Stop.:undecided: I'd rather read a Valid Interchange of ideas... I Forgot I was On-line :banghead: :na:

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I'd like to see a valid interchange of facts, with nothing conveniently ignored. If you've researched any of the contemporary theories, it will be very readily apparent to you that the "truth" movement cannot deliver.

If you even reply to me, how about you reply to the relevant bottom half?

-Trevor

i have studied about 9/11 for years.. i have read every retracted NIST reports and countless scientific journals. i have thousands upon thousands of unedited first hand pictures.
the truth is out there.

i am also a welder by trade. the claim that unregulated fire melted steel is just ridiculous.


molten metal @ 1:26

WTC 7 fell strait down in 7 seconds with no plane that hit it, while the BBC news reported it had fallen 1/2 hour before it did, all while it was in the background. wtc 5&6 suffered substantially heavier fire dammage and burned much longer than 7, yet neither of those "collapsed"


for some reason former defense secretary donald rumsfeld has no idea what building 7 was or what was in it.


And this totally looks like a "collapse" to me



i honestly believe it was self inflicted.

"the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"
Project for the New American Century - Rebuilding America's Defenses ~2000




as for obl being dead..
former assasanated president benazir bhutto claimed he was assasanated in 2007 shortly before her own death.
she was killed within 30 of this interview.




:tinfoil: :shhh:

I do not believe everyting on de intarwebz

The main ones I remember is that, If you go back and look at the early clean up videos. You can see the Main steel beams going up cut at a angle sticking right out. And for like 6 Weeks they had Massive Pools Molten Metal in the rubble and it prevented them from working and they had to keep putting water on it to help cool it down. Same with Tower 7....


EDIT: Back on topic I have no doubt hes Dead, I'm sure they have killing him

Steel doesn't have to melt for a building to collapse. Steel weakens significantly before its melting point. I'm sure any self-respecting metal worker knows this.

Regarding the pools of molten metal, what did they claim it was? Aluminum? Keep in mind that hot things when insulated, take a long time to cool.

Regarding the collapse, if I remember correctly from the reports, the fireproofing on the steel had been blown off when the plane hit. With the sustained fires on the affected floors, the steel on those floors lost a significant amount of its strength (something like 50%... I'd have to go back and reread that material). With more than ten stories of weight on weakened steel, one would expect that floor to collapse. Once you get that more-than-ten-stories of weight moving downward, crushing more weakened floors is not unreasonable. Once the collapsing sections hit the "untouched" area of the building, it had enough inertia to continue and not simply stop.

Let me recap:
-Crash blows fireproofing off steel.
-Sustained fire including jet fuel starts to weaken, but not liquefy, steel.
-One floor collapses within the weakened area, allowing a chain reaction to begin.

Is this so far-fetched?

-Trevor

Nothing other than explosives can make molten pools like that.

The Towers fell in 12 seconds from start of the top going down to the ground, Thats Free Fall Speed.

They both had 70+ stories of perfect intact structure with steel vertical columns, What knocked the columns down? In your theory they would be sticking up some? A Falling Object will take the path of least resistance it would topple or Bend if it weaken like you claim and a mass would be left. And how did 110 stories of Solid Concert and Steel turn into 3-4 story pile? What Turned the concrete into Powder?

And They were designed to take a bigger airplane to each tower.

EDIT: and the exact same thing happening to the 2 towers? Both Flat almost (compared to 110 Stories) And Then building 7 with less damage than others near by fall down the exact same way straight down? Very Odd You Must Admit

One time I was playing Yatzee

I rolled five 5's

Then I rolled another five 5's

That was very odd too

But it happened

Peace,
dave