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Default Re: **** True >200mW 532nm S-KY PGL-200 handheld l

Joe, it sounds like yours is having a connection issue. All of the lasers ran at about 1.4A-1.75A when tested and shipped, and all of them were able to achieve the specification of 220mW for at least 30 seconds during the testing period. In your photo the laser is producing over 220mW, which it would not be able to do on 300mA of current (it wouldn't even lase). Have a look at the tailcap interlock and see if there is conection trouble. Alternatively (what I'd reccommend), you can mail it back to me and I'll have a good look at it to see if it still meets the 200mW spec, and if not, arrange for a replacement.

For the IR filter, 30-50mW doesn't seem too dangerous when a 200mW+ beam is shooting out of the laser at the same time. Most quality green goggles also protect for the IR wavelengths involved. If yours don't it's something to be cautious of.


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Default Re: **** True >200mW 532nm S-KY PGL-200 handheld l

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And does anyone else remember the 220mw gaurantee and a week satisfaction buy-back and such?????

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sure do. check the graph Dr. Lava sent you. if his tests were over 220mW, then I guess thats why it was shipped to you. also, it may have been damaged during shipping. USPS SUCKS at handling packages. my package came to me AS IF IT WAS RUN OVER BY A CAR!!! it was in BAAAD shape, but the peanuts Dr.Lava had put in there saved the laser, and no visible damage was seen on the presentation box, or the laser itself.




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Hey AMK,

Yep, sure could be a shipping issue.
I don't hold any of this against anyone, it is just the way things go sometimes.
But that said, I am not rich anymore, so this was a big toy purchase. (well, aren't they all, hehe)
Since I have heard of another doing tem-01 now and maybe another dead, that is three out of ten in three days?
Now there is something I may be able to hold against S-KY, depending on how they handle the situation and what the other issues really are.

Which we should be getting the RED CARPET TREATMENT after a three month wait to get these problems.
So, ??? * *:-? *:-/ *: *:P *> *;D
(At least my b!tchin' for 15% netted the deal on glasses, too bad after buying the laser I don't have the money for glasses!!!!! I think they should throw them in now!!!!)

AGAIN, Nothing against the DR. but if you look at my graph, (first graph shown a few pages back) it doesn't stay above 220 or even 200 untill after 10 seconds and drops below 200 at 120 seconds.
I don't really have a big issue w/ its power, eventhough I don't believe it is all they said.
But maybe better in some aspects to run better when all warmed up.
Rather than die as soon as it feels any heat like my WL- ;D *;D *;D *>
But 96 degrees felt pretty warm for a 5 minute run.
Today was first time I dared push it past 5 minutes and today is the first time it didn't get hot after that long. Go Figure? *:-/
I DO have a big issue w/ tem-02- >

Lets wait to see what the Doctor has to say.
Sorry if I ran my fingers too much tonight, sitting here bored w/ a potential broken laser I waited 3 months for that I should be playing with instead of writing all this crap about its problems. :'(

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Joe, it sounds like yours is having a connection issue. *All of the lasers ran at about 1.4A-1.75A when tested and shipped, and all of them were able to achieve the specification of 220mW for at least 30 seconds during the testing period. *In your photo the laser is producing over 220mW, which it would not be able to do on 300mA of current (it wouldn't even lase). *Have a look at the tailcap interlock and see if there is conection trouble. *Alternatively (what I'd reccommend), you can mail it back to me and I'll have a good look at it to see if it still meets the 200mW spec, and if not, arrange for a replacement.

For the IR filter, 30-50mW doesn't seem too dangerous when a 200mW+ beam is shooting out of the laser at the same time. *Most quality green goggles also protect for the IR wavelengths involved. *If yours don't it's something to be cautious of.

Hey Dr,

Don't take any of this personal. I seem to have an ability to p!$$ of some peopel when they don't know that I really am not mad, just trying to state facts as I see them, so just a heads up. *8-)

The only thing I can come up w/ is that switch has to be fooling the meter somehow, and it must be in the switch as I tried two dfferent meters.
And when wiggling the switch is when the readings would go up/down, but output was not effected much, (well, really somewhat dependant on temp, as high currents netted less MW's untill 86 degrees is reached)
So some effect, but not much, not what you'd expect.
Yesterday it would jump 20mw's if I just touched it while shooting the Kenometer, and I did not move it at all. *:-/

What was very eveident was when it showed the lower currents, it ran MUCH cooler for MUCH longer and w/ the high 1.5a+ readings, it was getting pretty warm in 5 minutes.
I can't explain that.
Up till today, I didn't dare push it past 5 minutes, as by then it was hot, hotter than any laser I have has ever gotten.
But today it never went above a head temp of 96 degrees at ten minutes.
Haven't ran it longer than that and only that long twice.
So you got me??? Demons and Devils???

As for the IR, I was just under the impression it was to have one. (all these years and I still don't where eye protection, shh, don't tell anyone)
I recall seeing the other stuff about warranty and such, but that I don't really, so maybe just something I read about IR on this from soomeone earlier that hung in my mind?
I really don't care much about this either, other than if you add one, it isn't a 200mw laser anymore. I would have figured that for a high-end unit, that the specs would be of pure green, not a mixture like a DX.
If saying this is a pure green unit, then it is a PGL-150 and that is how they should sell it. IMHO of course.

So am I to gather that the warranty only covers MW output now and not a tem-02 issue that is there 100% of the time?

Like I mentioned to AMK, I really don't have an issue w/ its power much, as when warmed up it seems to do ok, most of the time, as you noticed in the picture.
That shot was taken at 2-3+ minutes into the run and had just then broke back into the low 200's.
But by 8 minutes it was holding 250+/- pretty stable at a 93 degree head.
The body just behind the head gets a tad warmer than the head, just figured due to no grooves there, but maybe the driver is getting that hot?

And the tem-02 deffinately explains the beam specs and the no abililty to light much past a several feet away as it just won't collminate tightly out very far. (or very good up close for that matter)
But again, I am just worried, as if it is tem-02 now, what will it be like a few months from now?
And if that isn't covered now, what happens in the 6 months when it is a flashlight beam?

If S-KY doesn't care about the tem issue, then I guess I bought a P.O.S.
I do not want to see you go out of your way for this.
Their specs they list on their greens are tem-00 and that is what I would want fixed.
The power works for me, even if it isn't all they said.
Maybe it took a knock in shipping?

But if all you are going to do is check its output, then no real need to send it back.
Sometimes it will make spec, and other times it won't come close, so who's to say which it will be when you get it back? If it ended up performing then, then it would be a wasted trip and that isn't really my issue.

Let me know what they say when you get a chance. No rush on my end, it's already been 3 months, what's a few more days/weeks? *;D *;D *;D

You have a good evening and don't worry about it much, I am taking care of that. *;D *:P *;D

Regards, Joe

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For the record, I measured my IR output tonight on the S-KY ---

30 mW -- Not too bad considering the power input and output.

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[quote author=drlava link=1196846233/390#400 date=1205886781]Joe, it sounds like yours is having a connection issue. All of the lasers ran at about 1.4A-1.75A when tested and shipped, and all of them were able to achieve the specification of 220mW for at least 30 seconds during the testing period. In your photo the laser is producing over 220mW, which it would not be able to do on 300mA of current (it wouldn't even lase). Have a look at the tailcap interlock and see if there is conection trouble. Alternatively (what I'd reccommend), you can mail it back to me and I'll have a good look at it to see if it still meets the 200mW spec, and if not, arrange for a replacement.

For the IR filter, 30-50mW doesn't seem too dangerous when a 200mW+ beam is shooting out of the laser at the same time. Most quality green goggles also protect for the IR wavelengths involved. If yours don't it's something to be cautious of.

Hey Dr,

Don't take any of this personal. I seem to have an ability to p!$$ of some peopel when they don't know that I really am not mad, just trying to state facts as I see them, so just a heads up. 8-)

The only thing I can come up w/ is that switch has to be fooling the meter somehow, and it must be in the switch as I tried two dfferent meters.
And when wiggling the switch is when the readings would go up/down, but output was not effected much, (well, really somewhat dependant on temp, as high currents netted less MW's untill 86 degrees is reached)
So some effect, but not much, not what you'd expect.
Yesterday it would jump 20mw's if I just touched it while shooting the Kenometer, and I did not move it at all. :-/

What was very eveident was when it showed the lower currents, it ran MUCH cooler for MUCH longer and w/ the high 1.5a+ readings, it was getting pretty warm in 5 minutes.
I can't explain that.
Up till today, I didn't dare push it past 5 minutes, as by then it was hot, hotter than any laser I have has ever gotten.
But today it never went above a head temp of 96 degrees at ten minutes.
Haven't ran it longer than that and only that long twice.
So you got me??? Demons and Devils???

As for the IR, I was just under the impression it was to have one. (all these years and I still don't where eye protection, shh, don't tell anyone)
I recall seeing the other stuff about warranty and such, but that I don't really, so maybe just something I read about IR on this from soomeone earlier that hung in my mind?
I really don't care much about this either, other than if you add one, it isn't a 200mw laser anymore. I would have figured that for a high-end unit, that the specs would be of pure green, not a mixture like a DX.
If saying this is a pure green unit, then it is a PGL-150 and that is how they should sell it. IMHO of course.

So am I to gather that the warranty only covers MW output now and not a tem-02 issue that is there 100% of the time?

Like I mentioned to AMK, I really don't have an issue w/ its power much, as when warmed up it seems to do ok, most of the time, as you noticed in the picture.
That shot was taken at 2-3+ minutes into the run and had just then broke back into the low 200's.
But by 8 minutes it was holding 250+/- pretty stable at a 93 degree head.
The body just behind the head gets a tad warmer than the head, just figured due to no grooves there, but maybe the driver is getting that hot?

And the tem-02 deffinately explains the beam specs and the no abililty to light much past a several feet away as it just won't collminate tightly out very far. (or very good up close for that matter)
But again, I am just worried, as if it is tem-02 now, what will it be like a few months from now?
And if that isn't covered now, what happens in the 6 months when it is a flashlight beam?

If S-KY doesn't care about the tem issue, then I guess I bought a P.O.S.
I do not want to see you go out of your way for this.
Their specs they list on their greens are tem-00 and that is what I would want fixed.
The power works for me, even if it isn't all they said.
Maybe it took a knock in shipping?

But if all you are going to do is check its output, then no real need to send it back.
Sometimes it will make spec, and other times it won't come close, so who's to say which it will be when you get it back? If it ended up performing then, then it would be a wasted trip and that isn't really my issue.

Let me know what they say when you get a chance. No rush on my end, it's already been 3 months, what's a few more days/weeks? ;D ;D ;D

You have a good evening and don't worry about it much, I am taking care of that. ;D :P ;D

Regards, Joe

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For the record, I measured my IR output tonight on the S-KY ---

30 mW -- Not too bad considering the power input and output.

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30mW here too

joe, take the tailcap off, attach a wire connecting the + on the battery to the case. then measure output.
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ref my guess is somthing on the driver board is burnt out pobably easy to solder a new part in though.
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Its ok, now. Im guessing some dryer lint from my coat pocket made its way in and did something to the switch. I few clicks in while letting the button pop back out when releasing seemed to clear it out. Talk about a scare..
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bah it seems this is going to be a quality lottery and TEM02!? wtf! i wont accept it unless its a tem00 at any damn power level/tempreture

i really feel sorry for drlava because he must be damn pissed off with the results considering he put in the hard work and s-ky didnt pull though for him and us hats off to the guy...

i just hope its a one off and we all get good ones and the bad ones do get sent back and replaced fast at s-kys expense not ours or drlavas

also any idea when the 2nd shipment will arrive and then start to distribute
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bah it seems this is going to be a quality lottery and TEM02!? wtf! i wont accept it unless its a tem00 at any damn power level/tempreture

i really feel sorry for drlava because he must be damn pissed off with the results considering he put in the hard work and s-ky didnt pull though for him and us hats off to the guy...

i just hope its a one off and we all get good ones and the bad ones do get sent back and replaced fast at s-kys expense not ours or drlavas

also any idea when the 2nd shipment will arrive and then start to distribute
I donno man... I really like my laser....
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* * * Everyone, please disgregard any MA reading in my prior test post, as there appearently was a bad wire to the meter.
It took a long time to find the cause of those low readings.
But it still doesn't explain why when it showed the lower currents that it would run for much longer without getting hot?
But when showing high currents, it got hot fast?
And it was just a loop to the battery, so if it was losing connection that bad to show 300ma's draw, why did the laser stay lit?
So I still don't really get it?
*:-/

I am sure if there is only one bad one in the bunch, then I will be the one to get it. *

My Tem-02 is just the way things go for me now with this seemingly Devil's Bulls-Eye I have on my chest. * *;D
(though tem-01 would still cause me to write and complain *> * >)

I believe a warranty that states if your laser quits or fails to perform that sky will repair/replace it, means it covers tem issues, as TEM01,02 will kill power and produce more IR, do they not?

Betty has contacted me and I have wrote her back just a few ago.
Hopefully she will respond quickly.

It is a very nice build for the money and I really like it, but I am not happy about tem issues which I believe are causing my output and heat issues.

I thought the reason we bought quality at this price was to net a stable tem00 mode and power outputs.

I would not and will not push this back to the DR. no matter what.
Even if I have to just throw it in a box and forget about it.
As any charge-back would go to him, and that is not right and I wouldn't do it that way.


I have asked for a replacement and possible upgrade w/ and IR filter to actually achieve a clean 200mw's w/ and IR filter regardless if it is has been warmed up yet or not.
Don't know what that may cost, hopefully they will upgrade like the other big companies do, as 3 months wait is bad enough, so how long will a replacement take?
But I did offer to pay a bit for an upgrade if I have too.
As for a replacement, that better be totally on them. *

Let's wait and see what they say.
We could be jumping the gun as they may want to fix any that come thru bad.
If they want that "Good Rep" from this GB, they better kiss our a$$es after three months already!
Eventhough this sucks, it would be at least decent of them if they do fix ALL that have ANY issues.

Let's Pray and wait to see. *:-/

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Everyone, please disgregard any MA reading in my prior test post, as there appearently was a bad wire to the meter.
It took a long time to find the cause of those low readings.
But it still doesn't explain why when it showed the lower currents that it would run for much longer without getting hot?
But when showing high currents, it got hot fast?
And it was just a loop to the battery, so if it was losing connection that bad to show 300ma's draw, why did the laser stay lit?
So I still don't really get it?
:-/

I am sure if there is only one bad one in the bunch, then I will be the one to get it.

My Tem-02 is just the way things go for me now with this seemingly Devil's Bulls-Eye I have on my chest. ;D
(though tem-01 would still cause me to write and complain > >)

I believe a warranty that states if your laser quits or fails to perform that sky will repair/replace it, means it covers tem issues, as TEM01,02 will kill power and produce more IR, do they not?

Betty has contacted me and I have wrote her back just a few ago.
Hopefully she will respond quickly.

It is a very nice build for the money and I really like it, but I am not happy about tem issues which I believe are causing my output and heat issues.

I thought the reason we bought quality at this price was to net a stable tem00 mode and power outputs.

I would not and will not push this back to the DR. no matter what.
Even if I have to just throw it in a box and forget about it.
As any charge-back would go to him, and that is not right and I wouldn't do it that way.


I have asked for a replacement and possible upgrade w/ and IR filter to actually achieve a clean 200mw's w/ and IR filter regardless if it is has been warmed up yet or not.
Don't know what that may cost, hopefully they will upgrade like the other big companies do, as 3 months wait is bad enough, so how long will a replacement take?
But I did offer to pay a bit for an upgrade if I have too.
As for a replacement, that better be totally on them.

Let's wait and see what they say.
We could be jumping the gun as they may want to fix any that come thru bad.
If they want that "Good Rep" from this GB, they better kiss our a$$es after three months already!
Eventhough this sucks, it would be at least decent of them if they do fix ALL that have ANY issues.

Let's Pray and wait to see. :-/

Thanks,
Joe

hope you get yours fixed man!! you will love that laser soo much after its fixed, I bet your wife will be jealous ;D ;D ;D (jk! and pardon me if your single... :-[ )

anyhow, its a good laser. I cannot get it focused to burning power at 10 feet though.. it sux, I can only get it to loke the size of a green pea...

It lights matches well up to 7.5 feet, then the dot is too big to burn anything... I'll mess with it and see what happens....
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Default Re: **** True >200mW 532nm S-KY PGL-200 handheld l

While many things were ironed out for this run, not every laser will behave like an $800 laser, so please don't expect it. While I didn't notice any of them operating out of TEMO0, it's possible one slipped by. Betty is happy to help, and I'll do as much as I can to be sure you're satisifed.
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While many things were ironed out for this run, not every laser will behave like an $800 laser, so please don't expect it. *While I didn't notice any of them operating out of TEMO0, it's possible one slipped by. *Betty is happy to help, and I'll do as much as I can to be sure you're satisifed.

Hey Dr.L

Don't worry that you may have let one slip by.
It may have been a shipping issue or it may not have showed itself untill shortly after use. *

I trust Betty will work it out. *8-)
Still awaiting a reply.

I really do like it and for the money, (if working correctly) it is one h#!! of a laser! *
Shoot, even though not working correctly, it is impressive.
(Fog tonight, pretty sweet!)

No, you can't expect a 800 dollar laser for 400, but we can sure wish. *;D


AMK,

I am sure S-KY will work it out, thanks for the vote of confidence.
The wife doesn't care much for them, (married for 22 years now)
She is into Gemstones, I am into lasering them!
;D * *;D * *;D * *;D * *;D * *;D * *;D * *;D * *;D
Don't tell the women that lasers can deplete the color of the stones.
:-X * *:-X * *:-X * *:-X * *:-X * *:-X * *:-X * *:-X
(if they are heat treated or enhanced in any way and maybe even some naturals may be effected, don't know about them for sure?)
So shhh...
;D * *;D

Turning in for the evening, I will drop in tomorrow to see if they replied.

Thanks for the support.

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Default Re: **** True >200mW 532nm S-KY PGL-200 handheld l

Update,

Well, S-KY wrote back and asked me what I need.

I spent alot of time writing them a very clear letter to explain everything and what my needs and intentions were.
But as I figured, it was too much info for the language barrier to overcome, so they wrote back asking what I need or want.
So I worte them back again with a much simpler explaination.
Hopefully they understand this time, so still awaiting. *:'(

Wish me luck again, please. *

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Default Re: **** True >200mW 532nm S-KY PGL-200 handheld l

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Update,

Well, S-KY wrote back and asked me what I need.

I spent alot of time writing them a very clear letter to explain everything and what my needs and intentions were.
But as I figured, it was too much info for the language barrier to overcome, so they wrote back asking what I need or want.
So I worte them back again with a much simpler explaination.
Hopefully they understand this time, so still awaiting. :'(

Wish me luck again, please.

Thanks, Joe


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joe, tsk tsk tsk... rule #1 when working with overseas dealers/people:



MAKE SURE YOUR ENGRISH IS FLAWLESS!!



hope you get that fixed,

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P.S. pls xcuse my horrible spelling, its late and im tired...
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