RPL, Hulk, (Viasho) Group Buy SAVE!

styropyro · Jul 10, 2009

quadcam said:
Depending on when this happens, I may be interested in getting into this for a "pen style Premium 150mw" greenie. Is it a CNI or a Newwish though?

The Optotronics pens look to be NewWish.

themandalorian · Jul 10, 2009

Void said:
Opto have a good reputation.
Especially the upgrade system is very nice.

I paid 750$ for a Viasho ~440mW (average output, 60sec). I wont need an upgrade.
If you ask politely, maybe Viasho will pick a good unit for you. I like 'em overspec'ed.

Good luck with the group buy. I have a plane to catch and a vacation to enjoy

Holy crap! That is crazy. God now I'm torn Void. I just need more work! I only got 4 hours this week WTH!!!!

Viasho definately seems cheaper. Does it also have no duty cycle?

scopeguy20 · Jul 10, 2009

My (limited) understanding is that most of the Viasho units are suggested to use for 5 or 10 min. duty cycles, (likely shorter for very high output and longer for the lowest output units), My Blue Viasho is a minnute warm up, and starts to feel too warm if on for much over 10 min. and although it just does 25 - 29 mW, my guess is that is near the equal of a green 300 mW in terms of IR diode power. I believe Void is on vacation, but ask Jack about duty cycle I am sure he knows. -Glenn

digital_blue · Jul 10, 2009

Void said:
If you read my post, you will see that I only responded to Jacks statement about RPL being superior to the "the generic Viasho pointer".
This is bullshit.

If you have read around, you would have noticed that RPLs use a 2.5W N-light diode. Generic viasho units supposedly use a "Made in china" diode. There is no need to call "bullshit"; the person you contacted[at viasho] may not have been aware of this...

@Glenn, how much of a discount can we get for a 800mw green lab system? Last I recall, they went for $1100 mark; if we can get a 15% discount, I might possibly be interested pending paycheck...

themandalorian · Jul 10, 2009

Digital Blue that's what I thought. Opto advertises that on their website and i thought surely Viasho with their non english website couldn't have that

Void · Jul 10, 2009

digital_blue said:
If you have read around, you would have noticed that RPLs use a 2.5W N-light diode. Generic viasho units supposedly use a "Made in china" diode. There is no need to call "bullshit"; the person you contacted[at viasho] may not have been aware of this...
...

The Viasho contact person know his lasers better than you and me.
Viasho have two options: 2W n-Light vs 2,5W n-Light. If you choose the 2W, price will further decrease. I got the 2,5W n-Light.
As I said, there are no difference.

themandalorian: "...Viasho with their non english website couldn't have that."
The language of the websites says nothing about the origin of the components. You are funny.
Have you forgot? All opto lasers are made in China by Viasho.
Believe it or not, its the same shit.

john_lawson · Jul 10, 2009

ok let me chime in here on lab units 10+ need to be ordered for a descent discount
i went to Viasho and haggled for a blue unit for a while -maybe they didnt like me but
i got the same unit except in silver -only opto has that.I was asked not to post the price qouted by Viasho so I wont but i thought why not pay an extra 200.00 or so for a unit thats distributer is in the usa ,but guess what i only ended up paying 70.00 more than viasho offered plus got 9 months more than the offered 90 day viasho warranty
and jack gave me enough optics to choke two or three people

so to me 70.00 usd extra and i got
1) carrying case
2) battery
3) 1 year warranty
4) chrome style host opto only
5) so many optics i have no idea what they do
6) usa distributer with the best in customer satisfaction

so to me i will always use Jack but hey thats just me lol

bootleg2go · Jul 10, 2009

Void said:
The Viasho contact person know his lasers better than you and me.
Viasho have two options: 2W n-Light vs 2,5W n-Light. If you choose the 2W, price will further decrease. I got the 2,5W n-Light.
As I said, there are no difference.

themandalorian: "...Viasho with their non english website couldn't have that."
The language of the websites says nothing about the origin of the components. You are funny.
Have you forgot? All opto lasers are made in China by Viasho.
Believe it or not, its the same shit.

The Viasho contact person is a sales person and as such will say what you want to hear to make the sale.
The reputation of the RPL far exceeds that of the Viasho portable; that said, they get tons of inquiries not only from hobbyists, but from the big Chinese internet retailers for the RPL. So recently they have been saying what the potential customers want to hear, but they are not the same product. They have a bigger profit margin on their own product due to it's much lower production costs.
As for diodes, I know for fact that their regular Viasho pointers do not use n-light at all, they are too expensive a diode for their regular pointers. And those that are produced in the under 250mw range only use a 1.2W diode (non-nlight).
In fact, nlight does not even make a 2W diode, the lowest they make is a 2.5W. They use to make a 1.2W, but that was discontinued long ago and they never offered a 2W 808nm single emitter diode. Here it the link to the nlight product page for proof of this.
http://www.nlight.net/nlight-files/.../nLIGHT_Single-Emitters-NonVisible_090302.pdf

Before you go around calling people liars, you should get an education in how salesmen who's job and income are based on how much they can sell.
Manufacturers customize their base products to customer needs whether it be a lower cost unit with more profit margin and less expensive components and looser specs or a higher cost with less profit margin, higher perfomance, with tighter specs and longer life.
They want to make their customers happy and sell lots of products to them, so manufacturers will work with their customers to see that their needs are met.

I've got more important things to do than try teach a class in contract manufacturing or argue with new forum members.

Void · Jul 10, 2009

bootleg2go said:
The Viasho contact person is a sales person and as such will say what you want to hear to make the sale.
The reputation of the RPL far exceeds that of the Viasho portable; that said, they get tons of inquiries not only from hobbyists, but from the big Chinese internet retailers for the RPL. So recently they have been saying what the potential customers want to hear, but they are not the same product. They have a bigger profit margin on their own product due to it's much lower production costs.
As for diodes, I know for fact that their regular Viasho pointers do not use n-light at all, they are too expensive a diode for their regular pointers. And those that are produced in the under 250mw range only use a 1.2W diode (non-nlight).
In fact, nlight does not even make a 2W diode, the lowest they make is a 2.5W. They use to make a 1.2W, but that was discontinued long ago and they never offered a 2W 808nm single emitter diode. Here it the link to the nlight product page for proof of this.
http://www.nlight.net/nlight-files/.../nLIGHT_Single-Emitters-NonVisible_090302.pdf

Before you go around calling people liars, you should get an education in how salesmen who's job and income are based on how much they can sell.
Manufacturers customize their base products to customer needs whether it be a lower cost unit with more profit margin and less expensive components and looser specs or a higher cost with less profit margin, higher perfomance, with tighter specs and longer life.
They want to make their customers happy and sell lots of products to them, so manufacturers will work with their customers to see that their needs are met.

I've got more important things to do than try teach a class in contract manufacturing or argue with new forum members.

So you are calling the Viasho contact person a liar because he is a salesman? You are also a salesman. That does not make you a liar.

You state Viasho pointer don’t use n-light at all? According to the people making all your lasers, they do use n-light if it is requested. Like when you request it.
I will ask Viasho about the 2W diode, but they gave me two options: 2W n-light and 2,5W n-light.

You keep saying there is a difference. I am asking you again: Could you be more specific?
What is the difference? Which components? How is a Viasho 400mW different from a RPL 400mW?

If you don’t want to argue with new forum members, fine with me.
But just because I am a new forum member doesn’t mean I am wrong.

scopeguy20 · Jul 10, 2009

Rats! I was hoping Jack would address the Duty Cycle question!

themandalorian · Jul 10, 2009

Void I was referring to the fact that I didn't think Viasho would go through the trouble to get that Better diode rather than throw their own in their, it would make more sense for them to do that so in a way I do believe jack.

I talked to the people at CNI and they were very shady and liars, they might have been lying to you.

john_lawson · Jul 10, 2009

ok all i'm saying is look around for RPL's purchased from Jack
ask the person how was thier experiance with jack-my first laser a RPL 260
averaged 288 peaked at 320 somthing but jack upgraded me to a RPL 375
as for duty cycle Glenn i have ran my rpl 375 for at least 7 minutes a few times
no problems havent had the need for any longer than that -now my blue is touchy -most are from what i hear pointer wise does jack need a group buy no i thought i would try to get one going but after pp fees shipping and possible getting nailed by the man
for not follwing guidlines i am out but of you guys interested I give my word go to Jack and you wont be disapointed any other argument is NULL & VOID ROFLMAO

scopeguy20 · Jul 12, 2009

Hey Folks, if you are interested either in getting items from Optotronics, or getting gear from Viasho, please send an email or PM and maybe post if you feel it adds to the discussion. Thanks! -Glenn E-mail: scopeguy20@gmail.com

themandalorian · Jul 12, 2009

Hey glenn what's your aim? Also One member on here has said 4 viasho's have died, maybe that extended warranty is owrth it

scopeguy20 · Jul 12, 2009

My aim is to basically to find out if 1/2 dozen lasers or more are wanted, and if more folks would rather go to Optotronics, although, I am still not getting any positive response from Viasho directly as yet. -GH

themandalorian · Jul 12, 2009

lmao no AIM instant messenger. Lol glenn that made me laugh

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