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Old 02-24-2011, 04:34 PM #1009
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Question Kenom.

Do you plan to do the simpler anodizing like black and clear first, then the colors and patterns, or does it not really make a difference?


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Yes, the custom patterns like fade and marble are much harder to do and will take more time to do it, so I will be doing those after the solid colors.
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Thanks!

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Daguin has made me aware of a new issue. The grooves the snap rings fit into are too deep and since they are too deep the retaining ring fits down too far, and does not provide a good anchor for the clickies. I am working on a means of solving the problem The best solution I've come up thus far is to find bigger 11/16" rings, or put a washer above the clicky to hold it in place better.
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Not to complain, the retaining ring on the original kryton grooves were a pain in the ass to install if you didnt have a pair of fine tipped needle nose pliers. The holes are about 2mm in diameter which i didnt have anything pliers that small. i had to get a pair of surgical clamps to fit the ring in there. if you can find ones with a little bigger holes im sure thatll for great benefit for those buyers in this GB
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or just grind the tips of a normal plier a bit thinner, thats what i did, it worked great to
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Daguin has made me aware of a new issue. The grooves the snap rings fit into are too deep and since they are too deep the retaining ring fits down too far, and does not provide a good anchor for the clickies. I am working on a means of solving the problem The best solution I've come up thus far is to find bigger 11/16" rings, or put a washer above the clicky to hold it in place better.
You might try putting the clicky in first then the plastic spacer, so the snap ring holds onto the spacer instead of the switch. When I still had the grooves here I tried both and they seem to work. The clicky seems to press easier that way too. And conductivity shouldn't be a problem since I used plastic instead of aluminum for the spacer.
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You might try putting the clicky in first then the plastic spacer, so the snap ring holds onto the spacer instead of the switch. When I still had the grooves here I tried both and they seem to work. The clicky seems to press easier that way too. And conductivity shouldn't be a problem since I used plastic instead of aluminum for the spacer.
I recalled you saying that earlier so I tried it and I had issues lining up the rubber nub in the tailcap with the nub on the switch. Essentially the o-ring was designed to space the switch from the nub and align it so that the nub always hit when pressed. I'm not saying it can't or doesn't work, just that it's not the best way.
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You might try putting the clicky in first then the plastic spacer, so the snap ring holds onto the spacer instead of the switch. When I still had the grooves here I tried both and they seem to work. The clicky seems to press easier that way too. And conductivity shouldn't be a problem since I used plastic instead of aluminum for the spacer.
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I recalled you saying that earlier so I tried it and I had issues lining up the rubber nub in the tailcap with the nub on the switch. Essentially the o-ring was designed to space the switch from the nub and align it so that the nub always hit when pressed. I'm not saying it can't or doesn't work, just that it's not the best way.
I believe that would make the button protrude too much as well.

Right now, I'm thinking we will need a 7/8" snap ring with a smaller ID or we will need to place a small piece of wire into the snap ring groove to force the ring smaller.

Of course we could always simply anchor the ring and switch in place with hot glue or epoxy. My testing shows that this works with hot glue, but it is not the "cleanest" looking installation.

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I'm thinking the solution to this will be to take a penny or dime or washer with a hole in the center ground down thinner and use it between the switch and the snap ring. it would have to be pretty thin or it will make the switch fit too tight to actually get the snap ring in place.
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Let me know what sort of dimensions you need, I'll make some washers up for you. Hopefully I can part something off that narrow though...

I had to guess at the depth of that groove, I don't have any tools to measure inside grooves that narrow. I thought I had it figured out, but I guess not!
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Let me know what sort of dimensions you need, I'll make some washers up for you. Hopefully I can part something off that narrow though...

I had to guess at the depth of that groove, I don't have any tools to measure inside grooves that narrow. I thought I had it figured out, but I guess not!
I don't think that this is the answer. The ring slides completely inside (sub-surface) on the side opposite the two "holes" for the pliers. There is nothi8ng left to hold a washer down on a significant portion of the radius. The switch (with washer) would probably still "tilt" up out of position when pushed.

Maybe we need to try some larger (dia.) snap rings?

Do snap rings get "thicker" (taller?) as the diameter increases?

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The tabs go to the outside instead of the inside, it might hold the clip far enough to the side to still hold the switch in. From what it sounds like though, that would only leave a small ledge actually holding the switch in. Probably not the best solution

If a bigger (larger OD) snap ring would work I could put a bunch on the surface grinder at work to get them down to the right thickness. I really don't know if they get ticker as the diameter increases though.
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I don't think that this is the answer. The ring slides completely inside (sub-surface) on the side opposite the two "holes" for the pliers. There is nothi8ng left to hold a washer down on a significant portion of the radius. The switch (with washer) would probably still "tilt" up out of position when pushed.

Maybe we need to try some larger (dia.) snap rings?

Do snap rings get "thicker" (taller?) as the diameter increases?

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I'm pretty sure that this will work. The switch does not match the diameter of the inside of the barrel completely. It's about 1-2mm smaller to allow for the contacts on the side of the switch to make connection on the ID of the barrel. From what I could see, the snap-ring when in position, still sticks out 1mm and if the "washer" were the exact same size as the ID of the tailcap, it would hold it in place. There really is only one way to know if this will work and I'm currently "grinding" down a dime to see if it will work or not.

Pontiac, your offer is very generous and if this works, I WILL take you up on the offer. I'll let you know soon.

Other than the "washer" the only other option would be to order special snaprings that have a larger width. As you can see in my illustration, the S max would need to be larger. If that's possible in a 11/16" snapring, I have no clue, but I will inquire if no other option works.
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The tabs go to the outside instead of the inside, it might hold the clip far enough to the side to still hold the switch in. From what it sounds like though, that would only leave a small ledge actually holding the switch in. Probably not the best solution

If a bigger (larger OD) snap ring would work I could put a bunch on the surface grinder at work to get them down to the right thickness. I really don't know if they get ticker as the diameter increases though.
I think that this type of ring would simply force it off center.

I do not have an assortment of snap rings at my disposal. If you have access to different sizes, and it would help, I can send a tail piece to you so you could try some different sizes

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I'm pretty sure that this will work. The switch does not match the diameter of the inside of the barrel completely. It's about 1-2mm smaller to allow for the contacts on the side of the switch to make connection on the ID of the barrel. From what I could see, the snap-ring when in position, still sticks out 1mm and if the "washer" were the exact same size as the ID of the tailcap, it would hold it in place. There really is only one way to know if this will work and I'm currently "grinding" down a dime to see if it will work or not.

Pontiac, your offer is very generous and if this works, I WILL take you up on the offer. I'll let you know soon.

Other than the "washer" the only other option would be to order special snaprings that have a larger width. As you can see in my illustration, the S max would need to be larger. If that's possible in a 11/16" snapring, I have no clue, but I will inquire if no other option works.
The rings move pretty freely in the groove. I would imagine that the groove is not 11/16. Does the "S max" increase with the diameter of the ring?

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