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Re: GB CNI rare/special wavelength pointers and other stuff.

crazyspaz said:
UV will be ungodly and expensive.415 wont really be distinguishable from normal 405, 435 will look more violet than 445 by a noticable amount. 480-500 will also be stupid expensive, and 604-607-612 wont happen (we have asked before). Sorry to burst your bubble :(

@everyone else- I believe I said this last GB, but K.I.S.S.-- keep it simple, stupid! Better results will be had sticking to one or two popular wavelengths and getting as many as possible. The hobby just isn't big enough to get one or two of everything.
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pretty much. all of those WLs are only available in lab format and are stupidly expensive. UV diodes are 4300 bucks. most of those lab lasers are some 6-8 grand at a minimum. concentrate on the 561s. 607 is some several grand or something as well.
 





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micheal rosen said:
GUYS, PGL-H CEN BE SHIPPED TO THE US OVER 5mW!!! (PGL-H is the portable laser module) so we can make portable lasers over 5mW at the 589 wavelength! i was just asking becuase i had asked for a quote for lasers that i was interested in. i asked for a quote for a 50mW 589nm PGL-H.

EDIT: 600$ for a 50mW PGL-H portable laser module... not exactly a bargain but ill see waht i can do with the price.
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I thought is was a new policy or something when you said before CNI would not sell/ship modules over 5mW to USA ---no reason not to ship PGL-H of whatever output and wavelength. In the past they have charged the about same for a module as for a complete PGL-III-C hand held of whatever output nd wavelength--not much difference in price if any.

Is good news for people who like to build their own----no need to take apart a PGL-III-C to get a module
 
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I thought is was a new policy or something when you said before CNI would not sell/ship modules over 5mW to USA ---no reason not to ship PGL-H of whatever output and wavelength. In the past they have charged the about same for a module as for a complete PGL-III-C hand held of whatever output nd wavelength--not much difference in price if any.

Is good news for people who like to build their own----no need to take apart a PGL-III-C to get a module
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It's also good news for people in the US who want to build something more than 5mW. But yeah that last person I asked I don't think understood but this time they did! But anyway with a quantity discount of 10 for still 530$ I don't think anyone will be interested.
 
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Re: GB CNI rare/special wavelength pointers and other stuff.

Common folks, 6 more & the 561's come with a 5% discount!

-Alex
 
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Really excited if this goes through
 
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Well, sort of. Oem parts are not exempt from the CFRs. The FDA can still take oem parts if not declared. If declared then you have to get a variance for the end product you make and show it meets compliance within a timeframe. (At leat in a perfect world...)

Point is, it's not a way around the class 3R restriction for non-commercial purchases.
 
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ultimatekaiser said:
Well, sort of. Oem parts are not exempt from the CFRs. The FDA can still take oem parts if not declared. If declared then you have to get a variance for the end product you make and show it meets compliance within a timeframe. (At leat in a perfect world...)

Point is, it's not a way around the class 3R restriction for non-commercial purchases.
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Excellent point.

CNI follows standard international shiping practices, insures each shipment, and declares contents. If CNI will ship a item to USA they will declare it properly. They will not ship anything they don't feel will clear US Customs or is in violation of the rules and regualtions---- as in the case of complete hand held lasers > 5mW.

At this point, CNI no longer plays the games other suppliers play having had the the FDA visit them and having been put on the FDA Import Alert 95-4 " red list" in Feb 2015 which they are still still on as of the 22 July 2015 update see: Import Alert 95-04,
Am certain they would like to be removed from the "Red List"ASAP. The are the laser industry leader in China, not a small business.
 
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Re: GB CNI rare/special wavelength pointers and other stuff.

crazyspaz said:
UV will be ungodly and expensive.415 wont really be distinguishable from normal 405, 435 will look more violet than 445 by a noticable amount. 480-500 will also be stupid expensive, and 604-607-612 wont happen (we have asked before). Sorry to burst your bubble :(

@everyone else- I believe I said this last GB, but K.I.S.S.-- keep it simple, stupid! Better results will be had sticking to one or two popular wavelengths and getting as many as possible. The hobby just isn't big enough to get one or two of everything.
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Yeah, but 561nm was also "impossible" in a pointer host some time ago and 3x the price the last time anyone asked. These things change a lot with CNI's shady price policy. But if you guys think it's not worth asking then that's fine.

I'm interested in the 561nm, more so if it's on a larger host with a click-on click-off button. I won't commit now because we're having issues with local post offices lately (not laser related), but I might be in pending finding a way around the issues.
 
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Atomicrox said:
Yeah, but 561nm was also "impossible" in a pointer host some time ago and 3x the price the last time anyone asked. These things change a lot with CNI's shady price policy. But if you guys think it's not worth asking then that's fine.

I'm interested in the 561nm, more so if it's on a larger host with a click-on click-off button. I won't commit now because we're having issues with local post offices lately (not laser related), but I might be in pending finding a way around the issues.
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I've already asked about 604/607, CNI said it wasn't possible a few months back. UV diodes *could* be put into a pointer host/handheld but the price will be extremely high, more so then the lasers many people have on here.

I just checked CNI's website & they are selling 435 in a labby format with a max output of 2mW's so a handheld is definitely a no-go. 415 would be the same as UV diode(listed above). :)

-Alex
 
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I am with Atomicrox:
If they can get produce the 561 in a bigger host, that would be great. It may be worth asking CNI if they can and how much extra per unit. If not I am still fine with a 561 in a pointer for 247 plus all of the associated costs
 
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brucemir said:
I am with Atomicrox:
If they can get produce the 561 in a bigger host, that would be great. It may be worth asking CNI if they can and how much extra per unit. If not I am still fine with a 561 in a pointer for 247 plus all of the associated costs
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I can ask about the PGL-III-C but be aware it will cost A LOT more. The PGL-III-A is $800/USD, I haven't asked about the PGL-III-M.

-Alex
 
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Well...from a technological standpoint, none of the wavelengths are truely impossible to make in any size or format...its just a matter of whether or not its worthwhile. 607 can be done every bit as easily as the other processes, plus or minus some heat, just like 488 and 561, and 532 or anything else. Its just not worthwhile. they could put 375 or 488 diodes in pointers, but its a waste of a $4000+ diode for them to do it. 561 and 607 and such lasers are made for biomed, and aren't even intended for use outside that field. that's why they're so expensive. they're not marketed to the public...they're marketed at scientists. 561 isn't terrible. but something like 500.8 for example is just not cost effective to make in such a manner. It takes up basically the same space and structure, but the parts are at least 10x the cost, so why bother? who wants a pointer (and can afford it) that runs like crap at less than a mW that costs thousands of dollars, and would likely have a short lifespan, for something like 4000 bucks or more? its just not feasable to do for all the custom lenses and mirror coatings and custom crystals for it, just to make a subpar product.

edit: wow 800 bucks for a PGL-A is pretty expensive. probably runs a lot better though.
 
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Re: GB CNI rare/special wavelength pointers and other stuff.

ultimatekaiser said:
Well...from a technological standpoint, none of the wavelengths are truely impossible to make in any size or format...its just a matter of whether or not its worthwhile. 607 can be done every bit as easily as the other processes, plus or minus some heat, just like 488 and 561, and 532 or anything else. Its just not worthwhile. they could put 375 or 488 diodes in pointers, but its a waste of a $4000+ diode for them to do it. 561 and 607 and such lasers are made for biomed, and aren't even intended for use outside that field. that's why they're so expensive. they're not marketed to the public...they're marketed at scientists. 561 isn't terrible. but something like 500.8 for example is just not cost effective to make in such a manner. It takes up basically the same space and structure, but the parts are at least 10x the cost, so why bother? who wants a pointer (and can afford it) that runs like crap at less than a mW that costs thousands of dollars, and would likely have a short lifespan, for something like 4000 bucks or more? its just not feasable to do for all the custom lenses and mirror coatings and custom crystals for it, just to make a subpar product.

edit: wow 800 bucks for a PGL-A is pretty expensive. probably runs a lot better though.
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Thanks for letting me know that kaiser!

Yeah, those PGL's are pretty pricey. I would expect the PGL-III-M to be around that ball park.

-Alex
 
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Re: GB CNI rare/special wavelength pointers and other stuff.

LeHap said:
Thanks for letting me know that kaiser!

Yeah, those PGL's are pretty pricey. I would expect the PGL-III-M to be around that ball park.

-Alex
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Hopefully it won't be too bad. If the PGL M is the same as the DL Spartan host then its pretty simplistic. No safety features. Basically a more re-defined flashlight host.
 
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Re: GB CNI rare/special wavelength pointers and other stuff.

LeHap said:
I've already asked about 604/607, CNI said it wasn't possible a few months back. UV diodes *could* be put into a pointer host/handheld but the price will be extremely high, more so then the lasers many people have on here.

I just checked CNI's website & they are selling 435 in a labby format with a max output of 2mW's so a handheld is definitely a no-go. 415 would be the same as UV diode(listed above). :)

-Alex
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How much for the UV? Can't find where it's listed.
 
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the last one I saw was some 3-4K on DL and they're usually cheaper there than at CNI. and thats for one that's not even beam corrected or fully stabilized.
 
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