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PGL-III-C 589nm (of some power output) 18 48.65%
PGL-III-C 473nm (of some power output) 2 5.41%
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They're currently "being reviewed by customs" they're both declared as class IIIa. One is a warranty return, the other is incoming. they're 2 for 2 on "harmless" modules.


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I don't think we'll have issues far as class ratings go, CNI makes FDA approved lasers after all. Even if some of them have the delay off I don't think there's any chance they'll get tested at customs. They just have to send the paperwork as if all of them had the safety features.

But it's better to confirm this with Ava, just in case.
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Yes make sure there's paperwork... we can't afford to get such a large order seized
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I will ask Ava tonight. Ill let yall know what I hear back. Any other questions? Their weekend starts tomorrow
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I don't think we'll have issues far as class ratings go, CNI makes FDA approved lasers after all. Even if some of them have the delay off I don't think there's any chance they'll get tested at customs. They just have to send the paperwork as if all of them had the safety features.

But it's better to confirm this with Ava, just in case.
It doesn't seem to matter right now. Event_Horizon posted this in another thread. Bolding mine.

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I'm just going to throw my two cents in here. Please note my views do not represent the views of Laserglow!

I've been fairly involved with all of this for the past few weeks and this is what's going on. As you've seen in this thread, the CFR has long since stated that Surveying, Leveling and Alignment (SLA) lasers are limited to Class IIIa. For pretty much forever up until now, this was limited to lasers in the kind of equipment you'd expect: surveying equipment, levels with lasers built into them, and so on. But recently, the FDA has decided that ANY battery-powered laser is considered a SLA laser. No matter what it's intended purpose is.

We say: "But we use them for pointing!"
They say: "It's an SLA laser"
We say: "But we use them for bird abatement!"
They say: "It's an SLA laser"
We say: "But scientists use them in laboratories!"
They say: "It's an SLA laser"
We say: "Even you, the FDA, have purchased these lasers from us."
They say: "Well we can't anymore because it's an SLA laser"

So the FDA simply is refusing to see this in any other way. We have looked for loopholes, we have looked for excuses, they're just not having it. Every single package containing a >5mW battery-operated laser destined for the USA has been seized by customs and returned to us. It doesn't matter if it meets the safety requirements or not - if it's Class 3B or Class 4, and it runs on batteries, it's not getting through.

Of course, this is being done to stop irresponsible or ignorant people from buying high-powered lasers and using them to cause public harm. And yes, a particularly knowledgeable or dedicated individual could use a lab laser plugged into an extension cord in their driveway or rig up an inverter with batteries. But simply preventing high-powered lasers from entering the USA will be enough of a deterrent that most people would give up on their dreams of owning a cool laser. Note that the people reading this on this forum are generally not the people that the FDA is targeting. They're targeting the 14 year old kid who used his dads credit card to by an Arctic and then shined it into traffic. They're targeting the 20 year old high school dropout who wants to buy a laser he keeps hearing about on the news because it looks really cool. They're targeting the people who contact companies like Laserglow and want to buy a laser, literally, with malicious intent ("I hate my neighbor so I want to blind him with a laser, which one do I buy?"). And frankly, this is a pretty good way of stopping those people from getting those lasers.

I agree that there should be some kind of certification or license you can get that will allow you to buy lasers. A laser license, so to speak. But there isn't enough demand for these products for it to be worth the cost of implementing such a system (as far as the US Government is concerned). Currently your best hope is to fill out a variance application and submit it to the FDA (which is a nightmare, by the way). But you have basically no chance of it being approved unless you are working with law enforcement or the military.

I don't know what the situation is with other vendors. The FDA has been trying to shut out Wicked Lasers for some time now, and it seems that CNI also has been visited by the FDA. I don't think CNI will even ship those lasers to the USA anymore, and if they do they're almost certainly going to be seized and sent back. Australia has already banned laser pointers over 1 mW. Germany banned them too. Canada has already banned the sale of them to private citizens and it looks like the EU is currently pushing these laws through as well. It is a sad time for the laser hobbyist.

I honestly would think twice about spending $700+ on a laser that you may not get unless CNI guarantees replacement units in the event of customs seizure.
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Ah yes beat me to it

Laserglow's products are being RTS'd. How do you know CNI hasn't been hopped too? lets see what Ava says. If its not favorable, ask yourself hard whether you're willing to take that chance.
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We will wait and see what Ava says. Anything right now is merely speculation.
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Well nice knowing yall. The full retail of 532 would break my bank right now.
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We will wait and see what Ava says. Anything right now is merely speculation.
Agreed. Lets take it slow and smart and not panic over this.
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Also agreed. We have a month still until the GB ends
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Okay guys, I got up this god forsaken hour to drive my brother to school(he is in high school and no car) so I figured I would check my email. Well I got one that made me happy!

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1. Yes, our lasers are FDA approved and we have the appropriate Accession Numbers.
2. The prices for 800mW and 1000mW 532nm laser can be seen below

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PGL-III-C 532 1000mW - 630

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PGL-III-C 532 1000mW - 520
So there ya have it! If any of you want the 10pcs price on one of those bad enough, you can try to stir up some more GB participants from the forum. Just mention the good deals and see what happens. If things stay the same though, you will have to pay the 1pc price.

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God forsaken hour? Pfft I wake up before that for classes today...

Good to know CNI is still keeping up with their customers here. A little while ago if you mentioned the US your sale was over haha
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Great news! only 4 left to get 15 yellows...
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Maybe we should do a more focused GB to get 15 yellows, then host a broader GB. Or the other way around, a broad GB now followed by a focused GB to get 15 yellows. Would that be a better idea?
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IMHO that's already our objective (to get 15 yellows).. hope everyone agrees
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Maybe we should do a more focused GB to get 15 yellows, then host a broader GB. Or the other way around, a broad GB now followed by a focused GB to get 15 yellows. Would that be a better idea?
I believe this is already a focused GB. Granted, there are a few people getting 532's or 473's, but those are people who can't afford the 589 lasers. I don't see any harm in letting them order through the GB. Will save them some money and costs us nothing to do. If we cannot get the numbers for 15 in this next month, I dont think we will get more anytime soon. There is such a limited number of people who fill the following criteria:

1. Want a 589.
2. Have the disposable income available.
3. Be willing to spend their disposable income on the 589.

So I think we will get what we get regardless.

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PS - Hwang21 I got your PM, I will ask, but since they have Accession numbers I don't think they will be too keen to answer that question as it seems suspicious given their response to FDA approval question.
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