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Hi everyone

I understand your concerns. However , we will not proceed to the payment stage until I get my 5 units from this seller\manufacturer.

After I will get my lasers , awillis2589 will check one of them. And then we will be able to continue.



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These are very fair questions feel free to ask

To be honest , I don't really want to give the supplier out.

It took a long time to find him .. So ... I might use him for starting my own store

About refunds , goods quality etc ... I will try to be responsible for it however I am limited too ... I will ask him about defects and refunds

He actually told me that he will check every laser before shipment. But , I will confirm it again. He also offers To send pictures of each Lpm test for $5 extra.

The goods them self will be delivered to me by Dhl. I think it is the best option. He will also split it to 4 parcels because of customs.

As I said before , I will get my lasers from him very soon. And I will send them to someone in the US for a check. I have bought them before I told him about this GB.

I'm just trying to help here if you guys want to back off ... It is fine by me

I understand your concerns and I will try to do my best in order to get it right

Also these are the real prices for each item. I am willing to even give some one , with high rep , my password and mail so you can be sure of that
You say "To be honest , I don't really want to give the supplier out.
It took a long time to find him .. So ... I might use him for starting my own store "

OK you want people to fund your business or business credibility with a supplier, fair enough--that's fine--glad to help if I can save a few dollars in doing so.
That changes everything, however, everyone is buying from you--you are the source/store/supplier for ALL intents and purposes and have to be responsible for 100% of everything. What you do or don't do with with your unnamed supplier in China is nobody elses concern or business.

This is actually PRE-SALE from your own store ---"TheJoker301's Laser Shop" --- or whatever you want to call it.
In all the Group Buys I have seen everyone knows the source where the product is coming from---not just the member. Taking money from people and delivering a product from Israel is a business---you don't have to say you may start your own store---this is it--a business/already commerce.

I guess you could call it a PRE-SALE with a group buy flavor as you are claiming you are not making anything on these sales according to the group buy sticky but it is neither here nor there. You are entitled to make or not make whatever you want. Certainly it is your intention do a PRE-SALE to gain credibility/relationship with the mystery supplier/vendor. You say "I might use him to start your own store".
see: What is a Group Buy?


That you want to do a Pre-Sale and may start a larger store and want to keep people in the dark as to the actually supplier or manufacturer for reasons unknow( am sure the supplier sells to many businesses) is fine well and good, However, understand people are buying from you--nobody else and you need to be responsible for delivering what you are telling people they are buying. What your supplier does or does not do is your problem between you and him ---not the problem of people ordering from you based upon your representations.
There is no need to hide a Pre-Sale all under the heading of a Group Buy from an unnamed 3rd party nobody is buying anything from. If it is a Group Buy it is a Group Buy from you/your store and you can't claim later "not responsible" for your own business if it all goes wrong with a supplier. It can't be no one is accountable or responsible---that only happen in government.

Anyway be well and thank you for the straighter answer. It answers a lot of questions --example: why the supplier can't ship directly to each person getting a unit which is preposterous when you think about. Why not ? Cost of labor in China to high--can get someone for $25 a week to fill out shipping paperwork and ship? Be real-- the supplier guy can ship to everyone if he can ship to anyone by whatever method anyone is willing to pay for. Who ever heard of an export business that can not ship or has difficulty shipping?

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You say "To be honest , I don't really want to give the supplier out.
It took a long time to find him .. So ... I might use him for starting my own store "

OK you want people to fund your business or business credibility with a supplier, fair enough--that's fine--glad to help if I can save a few dollars in doing so.
That changes everything, however, everyone is buying from you--you are the source/store/supplier for ALL intents and purposes and have to be responsible for 100% of everything. What you do or don't do with with your unnamed supplier in China is nobody elses concern or business.

This is actually PRE-SALE from your own store ---"TheJoker301's Laser Shop" --- or whatever you want to call it.
In all the Group Buys I have seen everyone knows the source where the product is coming from---not just the member. Taking money from people and delivering a product from Israel is a business---you don't have to say you may start your own store---this is it--a business/already commerce.

I guess you could call it a PRE-SALE with a group buy flavor as you are claiming you are not making anything on these sales according to the group buy sticky but it is neither here nor there. You are entitled to make or not make whatever you want. Certainly it is your intention do a PRE-SALE to gain credibility/relationship with the mystery supplier/vendor. You say "I might use him to start your own store".
see: What is a Group Buy?


That you want to do a Pre-Sale and may start a larger store and want to keep people in the dark as to the actually supplier or manufacturer for reasons unknow( am sure the supplier sells to many businesses) is fine well and good, However, understand people are buying from you--nobody else and you need to be responsible for delivering what you are telling people they are buying. What your supplier does or does not do is your problem between you and him ---not the problem of people ordering from you based upon your representations.
There is no need to hide a Pre-Sale all under the heading of a Group Buy from an unnamed 3rd party nobody is buying anything from. If it is a Group Buy it is a Group Buy from you/your store and you can't claim later "not responsible" for your own business if it all goes wrong with a supplier. It can't be no one is accountable or responsible---that only happen in government.

Anyway be well and thank you for the straighter answer. It answers a lot of questions --example: why the supplier can't ship directly to each person getting a unit which is preposterous when you think about. Why not ? Cost of labor in China to high--can get someone for $25 a week to fill out shipping paperwork and ship? Be real-- the supplier guy can ship to everyone if he can ship to anyone by whatever method anyone is willing to pay for. Who ever heard of an export business that can not ship or has difficulty shipping?
couldn't of said it better..
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You say "To be honest , I don't really want to give the supplier out.
It took a long time to find him .. So ... I might use him for starting my own store "

OK you want people to fund your business or business credibility with a supplier, fair enough--that's fine--glad to help if I can save a few dollars in doing so.
That changes everything, however, everyone is buying from you--you are the source/store/supplier for ALL intents and purposes and have to be responsible for 100% of everything. What you do or don't do with with your unnamed supplier in China is nobody elses concern or business.

This is actually PRE-SALE from your own store ---"TheJoker301's Laser Shop" --- or whatever you want to call it.
In all the Group Buys I have seen everyone knows the source where the product is coming from---not just the member. Taking money from people and delivering a product from Israel is a business---you don't have to say you may start your own store---this is it--a business/already commerce.

I guess you could call it a PRE-SALE with a group buy flavor as you are claiming you are not making anything on these sales according to the group buy sticky but it is neither here nor there. You are entitled to make or not make whatever you want. Certainly it is your intention do a PRE-SALE to gain credibility/relationship with the mystery supplier/vendor. You say "I might use him to start your own store".
see: What is a Group Buy?


That you want to do a Pre-Sale and may start a larger store and want to keep people in the dark as to the actually supplier or manufacturer for reasons unknow( am sure the supplier sells to many businesses) is fine well and good, However, understand people are buying from you--nobody else and you need to be responsible for delivering what you are telling people they are buying. What your supplier does or does not do is your problem between you and him ---not the problem of people ordering from you based upon your representations.
There is no need to hide a Pre-Sale all under the heading of a Group Buy from an unnamed 3rd party nobody is buying anything from. If it is a Group Buy it is a Group Buy from you/your store and you can't claim later "not responsible" for your own business if it all goes wrong with a supplier. It can't be no one is accountable or responsible---that only happen in government.

Anyway be well and thank you for the straighter answer. It answers a lot of questions --example: why the supplier can't ship directly to each person getting a unit which is preposterous when you think about. Why not ? Cost of labor in China to high--can get someone for $25 a week to fill out shipping paperwork and ship? Be real-- the supplier guy can ship to everyone if he can ship to anyone by whatever method anyone is willing to pay for. Who ever heard of an export business that can not ship or has difficulty shipping?
I understand what you are saying. And I will post the supplier website when I will get home. I will also give you guys his mail. feel free to contact him

About shipping. That what he said to me. He can deliver any parcel with 5 + lasers , no less. I don't have any idea why.

As I said , I will soon publish his mail and everything ...

** update **

I have sent him a mail. He will answer me tomorrow ( as I said ... htey don't work on sunday ). After he will answer I will publish his mail and website so anyone will be able to see what they are buying.
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i don't get why people are getting so upset about you not giving out your source. your not the first person to not give out the source for example does anyone know where DTR gets all his G2 lens? does that stop you from buying them, No. or where Survival Lasers gets his S4 host, No. these are just examples no affiance to these guys and how knows they might tell you but why should they these are unique products they sell and the prices are close to that of the lasers from this group buy, considering a little piece of glass with a holder runs about $50 or a host with heatsink around $30 and these are just components and not complete lasers.

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The real difference is a host or a lens is going to be the same or similar in quality every time, and is hard to screw up. For a laser, it is much riskier as there are a lot of Chinese companies that sell the same thing drastically underspec. Pretty hard to get an underspec empty host.
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i don't get why people are getting so upset about you not giving out your source. your not the first person to not give out the source for example does anyone know where DTR gets all his G2 lens? does that stop you from buying them, No. or where Survival Lasers gets his S4 host, No. these are just examples no affiance to these guys and how knows they might tell you but why should they these are unique products they sell and the prices are close to that of the lasers from this group buy, considering a little piece of glass with a holder runs about $50 or a host with heatsink around $30 and these are just components and not complete lasers.
I don't know too

But I have to post it I think. I don't really want to ... but these guys don't leave me a choice.

I'm not even trying to make a profit on you guys. I'm giving you the prices the supplier gave me by mail.



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The real difference is a host or a lens is going to be the same or similar in quality every time, and is hard to screw up. For a laser, it is much riskier as there are a lot of Chinese companies that sell the same thing drastically underspec. Pretty hard to get an underspec empty host.
I understand you too man

As a buyer I want to know what I'm buying. And I don't want to get a broken laser or something. However , I was very fair. I have actually bought lasers from him a week before opening this GB so I could check them out.

In anyway , there are two options now. I can shut this all thing down , and start to sell them on my own for higher prices , in this case I will need to have them in stock. Or , I can publish my source and ruin my plans.

Because you all guys really want it. I will publish it for you

I just want to ask for a small favor. Please help me with this I'm not trying to take your money or something. Just want to help. If you guys will get a broken lasers ... I will lose money and reputaion ... And I don't want that ...

I will let you know when I will have some news
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understandable about the that Mrcrouse. Also TheJoker301 might not give the highest rep or most post count but has been a part of the forum longer then me, also he does Great polishing jobs for a far price and builds nice laser. I've never heard a single bad thing about the guy besides he lives so far away. trusting our money with him shouldn't be an issue it's the manufacture that we should be worried about. but also think about this, if they didn't have good QC why would a company like Lazerer use them as source, surely not to loose money because that's not what businesses do, they would use someone else if they weren't getting what they paid for.
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understandable about the that Mrcrouse. Also TheJoker301 might not give the highest rep or most post count but has been a part of the forum longer then me, also he does Great polishing jobs for a far price and builds nice laser. I've never heard a single bad thing about the guy besides he lives so far away. trusting our money with him shouldn't be an issue it's the manufacture that we should be worried about. but also think about this, if they didn't have good QC why would a company like Lazerer use them as source, surely not to loose money because that's not what businesses do, they would use someone else if they weren't getting what they paid for.
Thanks for the support

As I said lazerer is buying from this supplier. And I'm 100% sure of that. He has the exact models lazerer has.

When the LZCR went out ... he already had it in his store so ...

Also , these names ... LZCR , Rifle etc ... are not the original names. These companies like lazerer give them new names for their store.

The Rifle for example , can will be sent without the Rifle logo on it. If you want to add a name ... you need to buy at least 100 units.

Again , thanks awillis2589 Really appreciate your support
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The Rifle for example , can will be sent without the Rifle logo on it. If you want to add a name ... you need to buy at least 100 units.
So your saying if i order 100 of them they will write Marc's Kick @$$ Laser on every one of them!
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So your saying if i order 100 of them they will write Marc's Kick @$$ Laser on every one of them!
Yes they will

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Hi everyone

After a lot of re-thinks , I have decided to close this GB. Sometime there are things that are bigger then what we can do ... And this time , the GB is just to big for me to handle

I'm really sorry for disappointןing you guys. Really wanted to help , but it just couldn't work out this time.

I will still send my lasers to awillis2589 for a lpm check , and I will post the results in the review area

If in the near future I will be able to buy some of these LZCR lasers ... I will buy a small stock ... check them all ... And I will sell them to you with this GB prices

I really tried hard. But , I don't want you to get broken lasers or something ... and currently I don't have the tools to check that.

I'm closing this GB with hope that in the near future we will be able to work it out I will buy a lpm soon. So I will be able to check every laser before shipment.

Also , I want to thank every body that tried to help Also some of you showed things that I didn't think about ... so thanks again

If I will be able to run this GB in the future. I will revive this thread.

If anyone still has questions about this. Please feel free to send me private messages

Best Regards ,
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i understand thank you for attempting and please let me know when you get some in stock
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i understand thank you for attempting and please let me know when you get some in stock
I will probably have some in the next few months. I will contact everyone on the list first

Thanks for the support man !
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