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[quote author=jake21 link=1229665292/40#45 date=1231446378]they came from me, the bad one on this forum *know ;D so every one who has 6x sleds they came from me *
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[quote author=danq link=1229665292/40#46 date=1231448161][quote author=jake21 link=1229665292/40#45 date=1231446378]they came from me, the bad one on this forum *know ;D so every one who has 6x sleds they came from me *
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What you saying dang? there's some secret group buys *:[/quote]


I talked about this in another thread. The "alteration/evolution" of what constituted a group buy into what is now simply giving someone money ahead of time to stock their store has caused some of us to withdraw from many of the activities in these "buys." Some of us are still just trying to help one another here. I know that none of my 6X's came from Jake

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I talked about this in another thread. *The "alteration/evolution" of what constituted a group buy into what is now simply giving someone money ahead of time to stock their store has caused some of us to withdraw from many of the activities in these "buys." *Some of us are still just trying to help one another here. *I know that none of my 6X's came from Jake

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thats exactly why i pay for my phrs up front. i dont order as many as jake does so i dont make as much but my prices are the same as his. one of the last time i talked to him he said he was ordering about 180..
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I talked about this in another thread. *The "alteration/evolution" of what constituted a group buy into what is now simply giving someone money ahead of time to stock their store has caused some of us to withdraw from many of the activities in these "buys." *Some of us are still just trying to help one another here. *I know that none of my 6X's came from Jake

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thats exactly why i pay for my phrs up front. i dont order as many as jake does so i dont make as much but my prices are the same as his. * one of the last time i talked to him he said he was ordering about 180..[/quote]


. . . .and mostly using his customers money to do so. That is NOT a "group buy."

In the old days, several people would look for a source (just like now). Then we would compare prices and requirements. Whoever got the best deal would run the group buy. EVERYONE in the group buy would get the items at the same price as the person leading the group buy. It was done as a "service" to the community. At most the person running the buy would get a unit paid for by the rest of the members.

People keep saying that "competition is good." However, competition only reduces profit. In a group buy, there is no profit to be had. The price paid is exactly what the person running the group buy had to pay. Having multiple little "stores" selling in the forum is NOT making the diodes less expensive. In a true group buy, everyone would be paying $7 per diode (plus domestic shipping) for PHR's because that is the wholesale price from the distributor.

You figure out which system would give you the better price: Buying from a competitive small store or being part of a wholesale consortium in a group buy?

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I talked about this in another thread. *The "alteration/evolution" of what constituted a group buy into what is now simply giving someone money ahead of time to stock their store has caused some of us to withdraw from many of the activities in these "buys." *Some of us are still just trying to help one another here. *I know that none of my 6X's came from Jake

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thats exactly why i pay for my phrs up front. i dont order as many as jake does so i dont make as much but my prices are the same as his. * one of the last time i talked to him he said he was ordering about 180..[/quote]

Are we talking about the 6x here?
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no the phr. he sells quite a few on ebay.
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I talked about this in another thread. *The "alteration/evolution" of what constituted a group buy into what is now simply giving someone money ahead of time to stock their store has caused some of us to withdraw from many of the activities in these "buys." *Some of us are still just trying to help one another here. *I know that none of my 6X's came from Jake

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thats exactly why i pay for my phrs up front. i dont order as many as jake does so i dont make as much but my prices are the same as his. * one of the last time i talked to him he said he was ordering about 180..[/quote]

Are we talking about the 6x here?[/quote]

Part of the above conversation is about the PHR and some is about the 6X. Drew was talking about PHR's

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how do u figure i use peoples money ? look at my newest 803 gb, i did not even get 15-20 orders but i got almost every order shipped, and i need at least 50 orders to even place an order, so i don't see where i used there money to buy sleds *:P

i know that none of my 6X's came from Jake *

and for the 6x sleds i sold few to igort and few to jayrob and *few to me and other members on this forum. so out of those people u had to buy from one of them *

all im trying to say is that im not using the forums money to buy the sleds *
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how do u figure i use peoples money ? look at my newest 803 gb, i did not even get 15-20 orders but i got almost every order shipped, and i need at least 50 orders to even place an order, so i don't see where i used there money to buy sleds *:P
i know that none of my 6X's came from Jake *
and for the 6x sleds i sold 40 to igort and 5 to jayrob and *few to me and other members on this forum. so out of those people u had to buy from one of them *
all im trying to say is that im not using the forums money to buy the sleds *
If that's the case someone didn't tell me the whole truth

However, your point about not using other's money is still untrue.

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Daguin's point is that even if you only get 20 orders for the given sleds yet the price is elevated over what you really pay for the product, then your using your "profit" from those 20 to finance purchasing the remaining 50 sleds you needed to get in order to reach your minimum. Even if you didn't have all the funds yourself, you still used money from that "GB" to pay for a portion of that order. So, is it true in that context to say your not using that money to buy the sleds? No, I can't say that it is.

I'm not criticizing and sayin what your doing is wrong, but it's not a true GB in the same sense. Part of this problem is the suppliers for contacting so many people and trying to unload them on us, and the second is that nobody is taking the time to really set up a "store" persay, like SenKat and have diodes and sled in stock constantly. When I want a sled, I have to go searching through all the many people who are purchasing them and try to determine who has the diodes I need AT THAT TIME and for a price that is within my budget. Sometimes those prices are elevated over what I know the diodes are selling for but I'm also paying what I consider a "convenience fee" for that person having what I need at the time I need it. This should not be the case with everyone though. $2-$3 for shipping INCLUDING packing materials on top of the cost of the diode (which I know from the many contacts I've got who are purchasing directly from the distributors) at around $8-$10 a sled.

You make a choice to give to the community or to yourself, I cannot in any good conscience say that I'm 100% giving to the community. My barrels are elevated in cost for the many hours I spend designing these products and dealing with the many different steps in the process. Nor am I conceded enough to think I'm the only one capable of producing the product I'm offering. You all have seen my barrels and see how pathetically simple the design is, and how easy it would be to reproduce *(which is currently starting to happen) I don't however really all that much care as I've also got a contribution to this hobby to take it out of the "dark ages" and move it into a hobby more up to the times. Many people have lathes' so it's not all that exclusive what I do. As everyone is finding out with these sleds. Sure, I could buy them directly from china for a hell of a lot less and then have all the diodes I need for some time, but all these diode GB's goin on are getting a bit rediculous.

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ok then ill close all my GB and sell them on hand,sounds good to me
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sorry to resurrect this thread,

but Kenom, I think the main problem is the price of these sleds. If I were to invest 6000 dollars on 100 of these babies (at USD 60 dollars each), then put a store up for them at 65 dollars each, Chances are they are not gonna sell. this would leave me with 6000 dollars worth of metal....

therefore I do not think anyone is willing to put down that kind of an investment. I could do it for PHRs, or Open can Reds, but not for 6x's.

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If that's the case someone didn't tell me the whole truth

However, your point about not using other's money is still untrue.

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Dave, ours came direct from China. I watched the DHL tracking number that I got form the organizer of that 'true GB' ...

But jake21 also got some sleds...

I have not got the ones that I paid you for yet jake21... It was 3 not 5. Hey, maybe you sent 5! I could use them... If you sent 5 instead of 3, I'll let you know and pay the extra. But I doubt you sent 5...
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sorry ill change that it was 3
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sorry to resurrect this thread,

but Kenom, I think the main problem is the price of these sleds. If I were to invest 6000 dollars on 100 of these babies (at USD 60 dollars each), then put a store up for them at 65 dollars each, Chances are they are not gonna sell. this would leave me with 6000 dollars worth of metal....

therefore I do not think anyone is willing to put down that kind of an investment. I could do it for PHRs, or Open can Reds, but not for 6x's.
AMK, you just reiterated the very reason for true Group Buys!
that is, the ability to pool our resources to do what we would be unable to do as individuals.

BUT - as soon as somebody shows up (hopefully in For Sale section) who [s]can[/s] does front that money and time themselves - AND sells as cheaply as a GB - the rationale for GB fades for that item.

Pretty simple.

It would just be nice if the labels would be kept straight and the sale put in the right section. Hey, there are separate sections for "For Sale" and "Group Buy" - what a concept!

(and... this thread was only dead for a few hours, hadn't even made it to the morgue yet)

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but Kenom, I think the main problem is the price of these sleds. If I were to invest 6000 dollars on 100 of these babies (at USD 60 dollars each), then put a store up for them at 65 dollars each, Chances are they are not gonna sell. this would leave me with 6000 dollars worth of metal....

therefore I do not think anyone is willing to put down that kind of an investment. I could do it for PHRs, or Open can Reds, but not for 6x's.

regards,

amk

yeah I wasn't referring to the 6x's here. The 6x's are the one that one person should do a single GB for since they are still a bit expensive. My statement was directed at the open can sleds and the phr's.
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