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What is science?

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That´s why I tried to point this out by beeing sarcastic, methaphoric and criticizing both AFTER it started to boil down to this debate.
 





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Lol... looks like I missed the sarcasm in the second half of your statement.

I'm off to eat a banana:na:
 
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Just be explicit in whatever you say.

Bananas are very healthy, a good source of your daily potassium.
 
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Isoleucine said:
Agree. Until once side can 'outprove' the other, then this conflict will always exist. It should be noted that religion is slowly being undermined and eroded by verifiable, clear and exact claims that science makes. This is gonna be interesting.

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Actually, there is a VERY close agreement between ordinary theism, and the materialist view for our place in time and space.

Theism naturally refutes steady state theory, the oscillating universe theory, and also naturally supports the implications of the big bang.

Only theologians really care about this relationship though. Physicists are only concerned with what happened right after the big bang, not at all about how it was instigated.
 
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It seems the discussion seems to be around religion, this thread is about science.

Stating if a god exists or not is a statement of your beliefs. Science does not prove the non-existence of a god, nor will it prove the existence of a god. Inconsistenties in scientific theories can refute a theory but they can't prove the existence of god. Consistent theories can't deny the existence of a god.

Science as we have it doesn't say a thing about god, because it's not made for that. Science is a limited tool, made and used by human, and it will have the same limitations. A god falls outside of science, science can only see it's theories fail if a god breaks the law of physics. With science as we have it those things will just go unexplained. So whether a god exists or not, whether a regilion is right or wrong, it is not up to science to say a thing about that.

Science is not something that answers the meaning of life, how would a description of how matter interacts also define it's purpose? Science does not answer that. Believing that science is the ultimate truth and that it should replace regilion is nonsense. That's like saying because we have gravity there cannot be a god. Science and regilion should go perfectly together, people twist both if they can gain power from it, so don't trust either fully because of their name.

What people want is all the answers and to be the highest there is with no god above them. "Believing" in science is very attractive then, you claim to have the truth and refute anything not explainable by your own limited set of rules. Being blind wont help you, the limited facts science can give you aren't complete, so don't brag about having the absolute truth, you hardly have anything except some rules the matter in the universe usually goes by. Not looking beyond science is just playing ignorant because your ego wants to know it all so you stop questioning.
 
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Bluefan said:
It seems the discussion seems to be around religion, this thread is about science.

Stating if a god exists or not is a statement of your beliefs. Science does not prove the non-existence of a god, nor will it prove the existence of a god. Inconsistenties in scientific theories can refute a theory but they can't prove the existence of god. Consistent theories can't deny the existence of a god.

Science as we have it doesn't say a thing about god, because it's not made for that. Science is a limited tool, made and used by human, and it will have the same limitations. A god falls outside of science, science can only see it's theories fail if a god breaks the law of physics. With science as we have it those things will just go unexplained. So whether a god exists or not, whether a regilion is right or wrong, it is not up to science to say a thing about that.

Science is not something that answers the meaning of life, how would a description of how matter interacts also define it's purpose? Science does not answer that. Believing that science is the ultimate truth and that it should replace regilion is nonsense. That's like saying because we have gravity there cannot be a god. Science and regilion should go perfectly together, people twist both if they can gain power from it, so don't trust either fully because of their name.

What people want is all the answers and to be the highest there is with no god above them. "Believing" in science is very attractive then, you claim to have the truth and refute anything not explainable by your own limited set of rules. Being blind wont help you, the limited facts science can give you aren't complete, so don't brag about having the absolute truth, you hardly have anything except some rules the matter in the universe usually goes by. Not looking beyond science is just playing ignorant because your ego wants to know it all so you stop questioning.
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Wow. I wholeheartedly agree. I hope my mention of consistency did not imply "justification and proof for the other".

See post #1. ;)
 
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1. Science is the study of the physical universe.
2. Technology is the physical application of Science.


Thus science could potentially be as useless as armchair philosophy when divorced from technology. I think it's important to distinguish the two, since
most media outlets don't.
 
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