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Old 04-06-2010, 10:43 PM #1
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A 19 year old guy in Ajax ON. just outside Toronto has been arrested for being an idiot! He was caught green handed with a DX (looking) 532nm pen, pointing at a Durham PD helicopter.

The Durham Police have now stated that they are calling for a ban on 3b handhelds. And that there are at least 1 report of aircraft being hit per week out of Pearson International.

Time for me to move to Quebec...

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There should be video on this and I will post it when it becomes available. I just saw this on the 6pm news..

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The laws seem to be stiff here already, its stated that he faces 4-5 charges, 5 years in prison / or $100,000.00 fine (US or Canada funds...same thing)


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Hope they dump it all on the Moron... But even if he gets convicted
and gets the max... With the lax Canadian Penal System... helll be
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If you are in the Ajax/GTA area and see some Moron with a Laser in
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LOL, good point! IIRC the guy in Regina or the likes ended up paying 1,500. and probation. It wasnt Ontario, but the laws would be federal no? So probably the same outcome or they will make an example..

I saw the same story on another news channel and the term 'ban' keeps rearing its ugly head.
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Well I guess it is pretty much inevitable that 3b lasers will be banned in Canada at some point, since most countries now have some sort of new legislation against them. Still sucks whenever I hear a story about some idiot who brings us closer to having them banned though. I can't say that I am fully against a ban either, there are many people who REALLY should not be allowed to own high power lasers. It's not really attacks on planes that concern me either, I just don't want to be blinded by some dumb kid while I am walking along the street. I would be happy to see a licensing system implemented for high power lasers that would allow people to go through a licensing process. This would allow us responsible laser users to freely buy and sell 3b and 4 lasers. While it would prohibit the general population from owning them without going through a laser safety test and course.
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With the availability and DIY community, I just cant see a ban doing much.

If they make an example of one guy and give him the actual 'max', would most likely not stop any of this activity.

I can still see this being a problem, ban or no ban.

One of the pilots interviewed in a news clip said 'it used to be red lasers, and now green which are much brighter and more dangerous.'

Little do they realize the difference between a 5mW red being not so bright and a 3-400mW DIY.

For distraction value the green takes the cake, but DIY reds are on average more mW and pose a bigger danger.

Lets not forget a class 4 bluray.. The penalties are going to get ridiculous in the near future as the risk becomes greater...


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I hope this idiot doesn't ruin it for the rest of us Canadians. If I saw someone pointing an laser at a plane, I would point my laser at them. Now that lasers and the dangers to aircraft's has made Canadian news, they will impose a ban any time soon.
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Noooooo! I hope they don't impose a ban... If they do, DIY should be unaffected, right? At least then I can still make high powered ones then.
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DIY yes, it'll be around -- BR and red, at least... But importing CNI or Viasho 532s? Those days are probably numbered.

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the only thing i still dont under stand is, if the windows + cockpit are on the top half of the plane, and the kid was underneath, how could it get into the pilot's eyes?

it was stupid indeed, but it seems like they are over-exadurating what actually happened.
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If you read the 1st post.....

Police Helicopters have see through bottom shells... and at Airports
(like Pearson) the planes are on Final approach or Takeoff... are close
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I can easily see the cockpit window of a plane taking off or landing...


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oh wow lol, reading fail.

thought it was a plane.
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Err.., you can see the ground from a plane, silvercookie. It's not like you only have a sky-up view.

... I have to land, after all.

You do get that, right? If I'm at say, 7000ft AGL, and I look down, I can see cities, airports, buildings... I don't even really have to be in a banked turn.

So therefore, if I can see something on the ground, someone standing on the ground in that spot, can hit me with a laser, in my plane. In the face.

As Lasersbee said, it's pretty easy to see cockpit windows. If pilots could never see the ground, then planes would be pretty difficult to operate.
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If and when some laws do come into place I hope they are similar to the US's eg. high powered lasers are allowed if they have safety features.(key, light, shutter, etc)
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Right now Caravan 675 and C182s. And if there's a need, Mirage. I've said before -- any LPF guys in Colorado<->Wyoming, I'll take you up. Not a problem. We could go for a 400-mile hamburger. Unfortunately due to FAA regs, if there was beer involved, I couldn't parttake.
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If and when some laws do come into place I hope they are similar to the US's eg. high powered lasers are allowed if they have safety features.(key, light, shutter, etc)
See, I actually prefer FDA-rated hosts. Very little chance of an "Oops, I just shot my eye by bumping the button and having the beam reflect off of something in my room."

I know some folks think the delay and interlocks are a pain, but are we really that impatient?

Course, FDA interlocks won't stop a douchebag from being a douchebag.
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671nm:PGL3M 281mW DPSS ∙ PGL3C 278mW
655nm:LOC 254mW ∙ OLIKE 221mW ∙ Yob 320mW
638nm:Sanyo 40mW ∙ HL63133 200mW ∙ PGL3C 463mWpk ∙ ML520 700mW
633nm:JDS1145 HeNe 28mW ∙ JDS1145 HeNe 26mW
612nm:MG 05LOR151 HeNe 3mW ∙ REO LSTP 3mW
609nm:REO LHOR 1mW
604nm:REO LSTP 2mW
594nm:Rigel 3mW ∙ LG PGL3C 15mWpk ∙ Lasos 7512 3mW ∙ CNI MGL3 58mWpk
589nm:CNI PGL3C 106mW ∙ CNI PGL3C 85mW
561nm:CNI PGL3C 30mW(41pk)
556nm:CNI PGL3C 20mW(22pk)
544nm:JDS1675P HeNe 2mW ∙ REO LHGR 2mW ∙ Lasos 7786 2mW
532nm:PGL3C 150mW(180pk) ∙ PGL3C 578mWpk ∙ PLC 440mWpk
515nm:JDS 221420GL ArI 30mW
510nm:52mW DG#2 ∙ 50mW 26650 DG
488nm:Nlx DPSS 7mW ∙ JDS 2214 ArI 40mW ∙ JDS FCD488 DPSS 25mW
ML:MG 65A106025 ArI ML 115mW
476/480nm:Nichia Diode 28mW
473nm:PGL3A 45mW(80pk) ∙ PGL3C 110mWpk ∙ PGL3C 95mWpk ∙ RPLB-25 60mWpk
465nm:DTR NDB7676 2.03w
458nm:JDS 2214VL ArI 8mW ∙ JDS 2214VL ArI 12mW ∙ RHD Diode 1.7W
452nm:Osram SM 47mW
445nm:Yob 1410mW ∙ Polaris 156mW ∙ PGL3C 1200mW ∙ DTR-EHG 32650 2136mW
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