Can I use laser goggles as sunglasses? - Laser Pointer Forums

pinkpanda3310 · 03-09-2010, 12:17 PM

I have a set of Eagle pair multi wave goggles and want to know if I can use these for everyday use without any ill effects or endangering myself and others by doing so?

I have read and kind of understand the OD rating but don't understand how laser goggles actually block a given light. As I understand polarized sunglasses block a portion of all light ( accepting north/south and blocking east/west waves ). Is it possible to make a comparison on 2 different glasses like that?

Flaminpyro · 03-09-2010, 12:27 PM

If you like the looks of them wear them ! there is no reason not to...
EDIT I stand corrected, Don't look directly at the sun with them you will suffer at minium a 58mW burn and I have seen 50mW of blu-ray smoke things, Thanks Jerry

lasersbee · 03-09-2010, 12:34 PM

It has been shown... (measured on a Thermal Laser Power Meter)... that
the Noon sunlight (at my latitude) measured at 52mW on an 8mm X 8mm
Thermopile sensor...

Your dark shaded Goggles would surely work in the Sun (but not to look directly
at the sun... those goggles don't cover the full spectrum of wavelengths)...
(With welders goggles you could look at the sun)
Although I would think with those goggles you would look like a Nerd in public...

Jerry

pinkpanda3310 · 03-09-2010, 12:35 PM

Maybe I was thinking about that too much. Thanks Flaminpyro.

pinkpanda3310 · 03-09-2010, 12:37 PM

I don't plan on looking at the sun laserbee. I was thinking more for driving etc... and yes I may look uncool but that's just me.

Woodofcville · 03-09-2010, 12:50 PM

I'd think violet-ultraviolet blocking goggles would work the best for this.

LSRFAQ · 03-09-2010, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodofcville

I'd think violet-ultraviolet blocking goggles would work the best for this.

considering UV blockers are just the same molded polycarbonate that the low cost safety goggles are, no problem. I used to work on a 350 mW UV argon (351 nm)
And we could not afford goggles for all the students in the lab. The beam table was set up to adsorb 100% of the power, but we wanted something for diffuse scatter. Wraparound polycarbonate was greater then oD 6 across the near and far UV, and could take a direct hit from the beam, so......

FOR THE RECORD, WE MEASURED OD6, AND TESTED EACH GOGGLE, WE DID NOT ASSUME ANYTHING!

With that said, if the OP wants to wear his goggles, no problems. He will note it will take 5 minutes to get his normal color vision back, the brain will try to adjust things a bit so traffic lights look green, etc...

Steve

lasersbee · 03-09-2010, 01:49 PM

Well LSRFAQ...

I have an identical pair of Laser Goggles as the OP linked to...

Protection Goggle Glasses for multiple wavelength Laser - eBay Industrial Lasers, Lighting Lasers, Industrial Supply MRO, Business Industrial. (end time 20-Mar-10 02:10:10 AEDST)

I just went outside with them on.... and I'm in Canada
so the Sun is not as bright as in the Summer.
It is about 9:30 AM..
It is quite comfortable to look around with them...

Then I very quickly looked into the Sun.... BAD IDEA...

I'm having a hard time finding the keys as I type this Post
due to a white dot about the size of a Key that is blocking
my vision... It is slowly fading away...

I stand by what I posted above...............

I would also supply a manufacturer and part number of the
exact polycarbonate product that you used and tested..
There are many different formulas to produce polycarbonate
and tints...

Else people will be using plastic Swimming Gogglers for Approved
Laser Safety Goggles...

China Swimming Goggles. Fuzhou Wholesaler, Trading Company, Manufacturer, Exporter, Buying Office

Jerry

pinkpanda3310 · 03-10-2010, 09:19 AM

[QUOTE=
With that said, if the OP wants to wear his goggles, no problems. He will note it will take 5 minutes to get his normal color vision back, the brain will try to adjust things a bit so traffic lights look green, etc...

Steve[/QUOTE]

I tried them out today and yes some of the traffic lights were difficult to see, I also removed all the shrouding as it gave me tunnel vision but over all I feel like I have done my eyes a favor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by lasersbee

I just went outside with them on.... and I'm in Canada
so the Sun is not as bright as in the Summer.
It is about 9:30 AM..
It is quite comfortable to look around with them...

Then I very quickly looked into the Sun.... BAD IDEA...

I'm having a hard time finding the keys as I type this Post
due to a white dot about the size of a Key that is blocking
my vision... It is slowly fading away...

I stand by what I posted above...............

I am surprised that someone with your experience would even think about looking at the sun! You even said the goggles don't block all wavelengths, and it was the equivalent of looking at a ~50mw laser with no protection (what possessed you?). I hope they return to norm.

lasersbee · 03-10-2010, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310

I tried them out today and yes some of the traffic lights were difficult to see, I also removed all the shrouding as it gave me tunnel vision but over all I feel like I have done my eyes a favor.

I am surprised that someone with your experience would even think about looking at the sun! You even said the goggles don't block all wavelengths, and it was the equivalent of looking at a ~50mw laser with no protection (what possessed you?). I hope they return to norm.

I fully understand that looking at the sun for prolonged periods is harmful...
For eons... people have looked into the sun quickly by either by reflection
or directly and have NOT suffered irreversible eye damage...
If it was too dangerous in everyday outside activity to be in the presence
of the sun for fear of permanent eye damage... we would be advised to
use Welders Goggles at every outing...

I knew full well that looking directly into the sun with some minor eye
protection (or even non) could be done if the time of exposure was brief.....
And that's the test I performed... I was well aware of what I was doing
and the results I was expecting... There were no surprises here...
It was done in response to Post #7

The white dot (which I had seen before... during my years on the Planet)
faded away within 20 minutes as was expected...

BTW... the 52mW of energy from the sun is not 52mW of Laser energy...
It is regular full wavelength light and radiated heat over an area of 64
square mm of sensor active surface...

Jerry

DJNY · 03-10-2010, 12:48 PM

I´m wearing my blue lasergoggles for learning my uni stuff because the light is much more pleasant with them. My yellow lenses make the world look more friendly

photonaholic · 03-10-2010, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lasersbee

Although I would think with those goggles you would look like a Nerd in public...

Jerry

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310

. and yes I may look uncool but that's just me.

I pulled up next to this guy at a red light once..

xD xD

lasersbee · 03-10-2010, 01:04 PM

CoooooL....
^^^^

^^^^

:crack up:

^^^

Jerry

DJNY · 03-10-2010, 01:06 PM

Your pics are always the best Wayne

photonaholic · 03-10-2010, 01:09 PM

That's not my picture, fortunately the OP has a great sense of humor...

Indirect Viewing for laser safety

Hemlock_Mike · 03-10-2010, 09:14 PM

Laser goggles for sunlight ... I gotta do that.

Deep Red goggles for a greenie. Cute babe walks over

and asks about the red color and I say "So like these are for laser protection!"

Babe walks away saying "GEEK!"

HMike

pinkpanda3310 · 03-11-2010, 07:34 AM

I'm glad you guy's find all this amusing. I won't tell you I really took off the shroud because I was looking at some babe and walked into a muscle bound freak!

Luckily for me beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so I am the best looking, best protected nerd I know.

davidgdg · 03-31-2010, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lasersbee

I fully understand that looking at the sun for prolonged periods is harmful...
For eons... people have looked into the sun quickly by either by reflection
or directly and have NOT suffered irreversible eye damage...
If it was too dangerous in everyday outside activity to be in the presence
of the sun for fear of permanent eye damage... we would be advised to
use Welders Goggles at every outing...

I knew full well that looking directly into the sun with some minor eye
protection (or even non) could be done if the time of exposure was brief.....
And that's the test I performed... I was well aware of what I was doing
and the results I was expecting... There were no surprises here...
It was done in response to Post #7

The white dot (which I had seen before... during my years on the Planet)
faded away within 20 minutes as was expected...

BTW... the 52mW of energy from the sun is not 52mW of Laser energy...
It is regular full wavelength light and radiated heat over an area of 64
square mm of sensor active surface...

Jerry

As Jerry has pointed out, you cannot make a direct comparison between solar radiant power and beam power in terms of eye risk. The reason is because the sun is not a point source - unlike beams which are focused by the eye to a point.

In the past I did the exercise of comparing the equivalent of looking at the sun and looking at a beam of a given power. Even though the radiant power from the sun into the eye is ~ 50mw, the effect of the larger focused solar image, is that the sun is equivalent to a beam of only about 0.005 mw. To put it another way, direct viewing of a 1mw beam produces a focused spot on the retina which is 200 times more intense than direct viewing of the sun (and that is for a 1mw beam!).

The figures are slightly alarmist because the laser spot is very small and so any damage would be localised and manifest itself as a tiny blind spot rather than widespread damage. Also, the eye is better able to cool a small spot than a larger one. But nevertheless, the figures are very striking. Direct viewing of a laser beam of any significant power produces an image that is thousands of times brighter in radiant energy per area terms, than direct viewing of the sun. There is almost literally no comparison.

pinkpanda3310 · 03-31-2010, 01:29 PM

You guy's obviously know alot about eye's too. I'll stick with protecting them where ever I see fit.

Benm · 04-01-2010, 12:57 PM

Its a smarter question than the one that goes the other way around.

I dont see why you could not wear laser protection goggles as sunglasses, in general.

One thing though: Don't wear anti-red glasses while driving, you'll obviously will not be able to see red traffic lights if you do, and thats an accident waiting to happen.

Bluefan · 04-03-2010, 09:50 AM

and guess what happens when wearing anti-green

Benm · 04-03-2010, 12:29 PM

Somehow not seeing the green light doesnt end as badly as missing a red one

Also, i think you might actually see the green ones with anti-532 goggles. At least in europe most of the green traffic lights have been modified to a slightly cyan color to assist red/green colorblind drivers judging a signal from a greater distance.

MikeBP · 04-04-2010, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310

I tried them out today and yes some of the traffic lights were difficult to see, I also removed all the shrouding as it gave me tunnel vision but over all I feel like I have done my eyes a favor.

I am surprised that someone with your experience would even think about looking at the sun! You even said the goggles don't block all wavelengths, and it was the equivalent of looking at a ~50mw laser with no protection (what possessed you?). I hope they return to norm.

lol pwned

I would say no dont wear them as sun glasses becuase they dont just block the light they are meant to be very harsh on different wavelengths so stick to some regular glasses, if you like the style I understand, people like what they like.

Heleno · 04-14-2010, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lasersbee

Well LSRFAQ...

I have an identical pair of Laser Goggles as the OP linked to...

Protection Goggle Glasses for multiple wavelength Laser - eBay Industrial Lasers, Lighting Lasers, Industrial Supply MRO, Business Industrial. (end time 20-Mar-10 02:10:10 AEDST)

I just went outside with them on.... and I'm in Canada
so the Sun is not as bright as in the Summer.
It is about 9:30 AM..
It is quite comfortable to look around with them...
{...}

Jerry

Hey Jerry!
i see you are from Québec...
and you know - if you are in Montréal, this time of the year, at 9h30am.... man! it should still be kinda dark, shouldn't it!? heheeheh there might still be some snow in the streets!
as for me - i Envy you. living in Natal, Brazil, at our 9h30, i think you can fry an egg in the asphalt in less than 10 minutes! now - would you dare look at the sun for even a half second? here we can barely even open our eyes outside without sunglasses... damn! hehehe
see you!
Heleno

seasonnie · 05-05-2010, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinkpanda3310

I have a set of Eagle pair multi wave goggles and want to know if I can use these for everyday use without any ill effects or endangering myself and others by doing so?

I have read and kind of understand the OD rating but don't understand how laser goggles actually block a given light. As I understand polarized sunglasses block a portion of all light ( accepting north/south and blocking east/west waves ). Is it possible to make a comparison on 2 different glasses like that?

You are humorous girl

If you like the looks of them wear them ! But it seems that the item you recommended is fashion sunglasses not laser goggle

03-09-2010, 12:17 PM	#1
pinkpanda3310 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	Can I use laser goggles as sunglasses? I have a set of Eagle pair multi wave goggles and want to know if I can use these for everyday use without any ill effects or endangering myself and others by doing so? I have read and kind of understand the OD rating but don't understand how laser goggles actually block a given light. As I understand polarized sunglasses block a portion of all light ( accepting north/south and blocking east/west waves ). Is it possible to make a comparison on 2 different glasses like that?

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Flaminpyro Class 3R Laser Join Date: May 2009 Location: west central Oregon when I'm not in San Diego Posts: 1,835 Rep Power: 140	Re: Can I use laser goggles as sunglasses? If you like the looks of them wear them ! there is no reason not to... EDIT I stand corrected, Don't look directly at the sun with them you will suffer at minium a 58mW burn and I have seen 50mW of blu-ray smoke things, Thanks Jerry __________________ Why burn up hydrocarbons with a lighter when you have 400mW+ of BLU-RAY White Fusion Time Machine 445 with more on the way CNI PGL-III-C-589 125mW Viasho 532nm 500mW TANK007Cu8X DFW 397mW CNI pen 532nm 84mW The Violet Pip Squeek 45mW _____________________________________ LaserBee I LPM LOOKING FOR A HOST WITH PERFECT HEAT SINKING order your TANK007 Cu kit today ! http://laserpointerforums.com/f39/fs...kit-43865.html Last edited by Flaminpyro; 03-09-2010 at 01:58 PM.

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lasersbee Class 4 Laser Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 7,511 Rep Power: 297	Re: Can I use laser goggles as sunglasses? It has been shown... (measured on a Thermal Laser Power Meter)... that the Noon sunlight (at my latitude) measured at 52mW on an 8mm X 8mm Thermopile sensor... Your dark shaded Goggles would surely work in the Sun (but not to look directly at the sun... those goggles don't cover the full spectrum of wavelengths)... (With welders goggles you could look at the sun) Although I would think with those goggles you would look like a Nerd in public... Jerry __________________ LASERS ■790-808nm ■650-660nm ■532nm ■445nm ■405nm (5mW - 30,000mW) METERS LaserBee I and II (shop use) + Thermopile Newport 1825-C Digital/Analog + 818T Thermopile Scientec 365 + Thermopile FREE 1 Ohm Test Load Resistors... FREE 1 Ohm Test Load Resistors HLPM II 200mW LPM Module + Shipping $54.99 HLPM II 200mW LPM Module 1 Watt LaserBee I LPM here on LPF (15% OFF) 1Watt USB LaserBee I + Data Logging LPF Members 15% discount NEW 3.2 Watt LaserBee II LPM here on LPF (10% OFF) New 3.2 Watt USB LaserBee II LPF Members 10% discount Wow New 3.2Watt USB LaserBee II LPM REVIEW Last edited by lasersbee; 03-09-2010 at 12:36 PM.

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pinkpanda3310 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	Re: Can I use laser goggles as sunglasses? Maybe I was thinking about that too much. Thanks Flaminpyro.

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lasersbee Class 4 Laser Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 7,511 Rep Power: 297	Re: Can I use laser goggles as sunglasses? Well LSRFAQ... I have an identical pair of Laser Goggles as the OP linked to... Protection Goggle Glasses for multiple wavelength Laser - eBay Industrial Lasers, Lighting Lasers, Industrial Supply MRO, Business Industrial. (end time 20-Mar-10 02:10:10 AEDST) I just went outside with them on.... and I'm in Canada so the Sun is not as bright as in the Summer. It is about 9:30 AM.. It is quite comfortable to look around with them... Then I very quickly looked into the Sun.... BAD IDEA... I'm having a hard time finding the keys as I type this Post due to a white dot about the size of a Key that is blocking my vision... It is slowly fading away... I stand by what I posted above............... I would also supply a manufacturer and part number of the exact polycarbonate product that you used and tested.. There are many different formulas to produce polycarbonate and tints... Else people will be using plastic Swimming Gogglers for Approved Laser Safety Goggles... China Swimming Goggles. Fuzhou Wholesaler, Trading Company, Manufacturer, Exporter, Buying Office Jerry __________________ LASERS ■790-808nm ■650-660nm ■532nm ■445nm ■405nm (5mW - 30,000mW) METERS LaserBee I and II (shop use) + Thermopile Newport 1825-C Digital/Analog + 818T Thermopile Scientec 365 + Thermopile FREE 1 Ohm Test Load Resistors... FREE 1 Ohm Test Load Resistors HLPM II 200mW LPM Module + Shipping $54.99 HLPM II 200mW LPM Module 1 Watt LaserBee I LPM here on LPF (15% OFF) 1Watt USB LaserBee I + Data Logging LPF Members 15% discount NEW 3.2 Watt LaserBee II LPM here on LPF (10% OFF) New 3.2 Watt USB LaserBee II LPF Members 10% discount Wow New 3.2Watt USB LaserBee II LPM REVIEW Last edited by lasersbee; 03-09-2010 at 01:52 PM.

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pinkpanda3310 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	Re: Can I use laser goggles as sunglasses? I'm glad you guy's find all this amusing. I won't tell you I really took off the shroud because I was looking at some babe and walked into a muscle bound freak! Luckily for me beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so I am the best looking, best protected nerd I know.

03-31-2010, 01:29 PM	#19
pinkpanda3310 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	Re: Can I use laser goggles as sunglasses? You guy's obviously know alot about eye's too. I'll stick with protecting them where ever I see fit.

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Benm Class 3B Laser Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,242 Rep Power: 133	Re: Can I use laser goggles as sunglasses? Its a smarter question than the one that goes the other way around. I dont see why you could not wear laser protection goggles as sunglasses, in general. One thing though: Don't wear anti-red glasses while driving, you'll obviously will not be able to see red traffic lights if you do, and thats an accident waiting to happen. __________________ ScienceFlicks Science Videos <- Have a look

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Bluefan Class 2 Laser Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 346 Rep Power: 9	Re: Can I use laser goggles as sunglasses? and guess what happens when wearing anti-green

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Benm Class 3B Laser Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 3,242 Rep Power: 133	Re: Can I use laser goggles as sunglasses? Somehow not seeing the green light doesnt end as badly as missing a red one Also, i think you might actually see the green ones with anti-532 goggles. At least in europe most of the green traffic lights have been modified to a slightly cyan color to assist red/green colorblind drivers judging a signal from a greater distance. __________________ ScienceFlicks Science Videos <- Have a look

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