Bonehead resentenced--5 years for pointing laser @ plane

That's our insane legal system, it goes much deeper in so many directions I'm disgusted, it is now a corporate machine which eats people to keep the profits up instead of a justice system.

Edit: on the question about my cousin, I don't know much more about it except he was sentenced several years of parole, I haven't seen or directly spoken with him for over 40 years and only have contact on FB.

InfinitusEquitas said:

There is something decidedly wrong with our society that a crime that has resulted in absolutely no loss of life, property, or affected anyone's quality of life, results in a long prison sentence.

Don't get me wrong, I'm for both punishment, and rehabilitation, but our criminal justice system is seriously screwed up when the punishment means putting someone into an environment with other boneheads for years at a time to learn more boneheaded behavior, all to the tune of thousands upon thousands, and ultimately benefiting no one.

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Alaskan said:

That's our insane legal system, it goes much deeper in so many directions I'm disgusted, it is now a corporate machine which eats people to keep the profits up instead of a justice system.

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The United States gulag system is far out of control and is a very corrupt big business. One day it will have to end. In the Democratic People's Republic of Korea they are said to have forced labor camps where they make you work until you die. In China they execute many of their prisoners, probably just to save money, many are also simply held until they become organ donors. If you need some organ transplant and you have money, no need to be on a waiting list for years, you can go to China and they will find you something immediately. The United States in some ways is no better than those two countries. The war on drugs started by Ronald and Nancy Reagan only made it worse, and later the war on terror has probably caused far more terror than it has prevented.

Alan

Here is my little try on this subject, as we have 1 guard to every 400 prisoners I was watching the Russian prison system a while back. It looks like they have a 1 to 1 guard to prisoner ratio. The worse one being I think (the black dolphin prison) Pi you should know the proper name as always. This one housed a guy who killed a guy and ate some of him and gave his neighbor some of his meat telling her it was kangaroo meat. This woman made dumplings out of it and fed her children with it. The brutal ones are housed in a prison in a prison and so on never ever seeing daylight. They are taken out daily for guards to check the cells for tampering as to an escape plan even as though they are 100% monitored 24-7 They dont even have a footlocker to hide things in. You could give these prisoners all the power tools they want and even with no guards in sight they still could never escape. They have no clue were North or South is. The guards walk them in circles, with there heads and back are bent forwards and their arms bent up behind them in pain they cant see a thing. In interviews they dare not talk about the beatings. The Russian guards laugh at the american system. If we were to give are most brutal inmates to the Russian prison system how do you think they will be when released? humbled or more vicious

GSS said:

Here is my little try on this subject, as we have 1 guard to every 400 prisoners I was watching the Russian prison system a while back. It looks like they have a 1 to 1 guard to prisoner ratio. The worse one being I think (the black dolphin prison) Pi you should know the proper name as always. This one housed a guy who killed a guy and ate some of him and gave his neighbor some of his meat telling her it was kangaroo meat. This woman made dumplings out of it and fed her children with it. The brutal ones are housed in a prison in a prison and so on never ever seeing daylight. They are taken out daily for guards to check the cells for tampering as to an escape plan even as though they are 100% monitored 24-7 They dont even have a footlocker to hide things in. You could give these prisoners all the power tools they want and even with no guards in sight they still could never escape. They have no clue were North or South is. The guards walk them in circles, with there heads and back are bent forwards and their arms bent up behind them in pain they cant see a thing. In interviews they dare not talk about the beatings. The Russian guards laugh at the american system. If we were to give are most brutal inmates to the Russian prison system how do you think they will be when released? humbled or more vicious

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Yes the proper name is: "Penal Colony № 6 Federal Penitentiary Service of Russia" in Orenburg region. Its unofficial name is from a fountain there with a sculpture depicting a black dolphin. It is for lifers, they don't get released once they are sent there.


Alan

Didnt miss a beat did you haha. Thats the dude Look at the way the senior guard is looking at him! What about the ones that can be released, fixed or more broken?

GSS said:

Didnt miss a beat did you haha. Thats the dude Look at the way the senior guard is looking at him! What about the ones that can be released, fixed or more broken?

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More broken, never fixed, not from any prison, but some of these people do need to be locked up. I don't know the solution though. One idea I always thought was interesting was the method they experimented with in the book and the 1971 Stanly Kubrick movie "A Clockwork Orange", if you are not old enough to remember the movie or haven't read the book or don't know about it don't go look for it and watch it, just forget about it. Anyway the whole movie was about this violent criminal named Alex, and when he ended up in prison he was selected as the test subject for a possible treatment for violent criminals, they made it so if he thought about or viewed any violent activity he would get violently ill. It was later decided that what they did to him was unethical and they had to cure him and release him. The idea though seems like something that could work.


Alan

I remember bits and pieces of it, mostly the way he danced and phrased his words before beating someone but dont remb any of the plot. I was 9 when it came out and british films even now I have a hard time getting their "slang" even Montey Python and sometimes Benny Hills humor is going over my head. I might rent Clockwork orange one of these days Mabey we should do an Escape from NewYork type of prison system or plant a chip in the brain. I agree I dont see much rehab in a violent offender. I was watching one of those incarceration jail shows and they followed a gang member boss who was release after serving 8 yrs. They followed his struggles of staying out of trouble and trying to find a job and ended with him only finding construction cleanup 1 or 2 days a week. They left a sight to follow up. What I saw on that site was a few years later he had no employment and he was asking for a help me fund. His last name was Donovan I think. Im curiuos and hopeing he made well

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I was watching one of those incarceration jail shows and they followed a gang member boss who was release after serving 8 yrs. They followed his struggles of staying out of trouble and trying to find a job and ended with him only finding construction cleanup 1 or 2 days a week. They left a sight to follow up. What I saw on that site was a few years later he had no employment and he was asking for a help me fund. His last name was Donovan I think. Im curiuos and hopeing he made well

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This is one of the other problems with our "justice" system.

Did your time? Great, get out, and stay out.

No job? No money? No skills? Huge red flag in case someone does consider hiring you?

Don't care.

Not our problem until you're back in the system and we get to bill taxpayers on the outside to the tune of 80k a year to house you, after you do something out of desperation.

So it's not really get out, and stay out. It's more along the lines of...

InfinitusEquitas said:

This is one of the other problems with our "justice" system.

Did your time? Great, get out, and stay out.

No job? No money? No skills? Huge red flag in case someone does consider hiring you?

Don't care.

Not our problem until you're back in the system and we get to bill taxpayers on the outside to the tune of 80k a year to house you, after you do something out of desperation.

So it's not really get out, and stay out. It's more along the lines of...

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That's right, it is a permanent thing, your life is usually over once you have a criminal record. No one will hire you, all employers do a criminal background check and there are very few that would hire someone that doesn't pass the background check. You also can't rent or live anywhere unless you had money to buy your own home or friends or relatives that will take you in, so most become permanently homeless. A criminal record is a life sentence.

Alan

One last thing I want to mention and the reason is I just found out today witch is eerie. About 7 years ago there was a man in my now city who ran a olive oil export inport and slash travel agency and practiced law. I was a part time apartment manager on a house that the owner was losing to to due to alcohol. This lawyer stepped in and somehow managed to get control of this building claiming he took over the morgage, when in reality he never did and was still getting rental income. Come to find out he took everything from the owner including a brand new Harley. People of all ages from elderly to collage students started to come out with claims of losing everything to this so called lawyer. It went as far as to him embezeling around 2.5 million and the worst part was he did it to fellow Porguegese. His bussines was decorated with rifles and handguns on the wall, pictures with him with celebraties, movie props etc. Im only mentioning it because of the nerve this man had to pose himself that way. He never had a law degree or permits for the guns and those charges were added to everything else. Nice house, cars, and 2 kids that were in the state championships in high school wrestling. Living the life of luxury. They must of posted a 1000 pic of this man saying dont "give this man money" I knew he was pure evil the day I met him but nowhere near to what he really was. Just found out today hes out of jail and is now employed at Burger King and not in any type of a managment. I hate to admit this but I love it (God forgive me)If you knew this man im pretty sure most would agree

It depends on the jurisdiction you are in. In the USA it's apparently very easy to get prison sentences for petty crimes of any kind.

Here in the netherlands there have been a few cases of people being caught shining lasers at aircraft (police helicopters mostly). Afaik none of them got jail sentences, but the settled for fines in the order of $550 (500 euros).

One vital difference is that attempted crimes are punishable here, but the attempt must be viable regardless of intent. The laser situation is comparable to attempt to murder someone by throwing a q-tip at them: death could have been your intention, but there is no viable way that this would have resulted in death, making it an invalid attempt.

There is legislation that makes interfering with (air) traffic illegal, and on the basis of that you could be convicted when shining a laser at an aircraft. If you accidentily do so there would not be much of a problem since this also requires prove of intent, or gross neglicense (i.e. not even bothering to look where you point the laser despite the aircraft being clearly visible to you).

I think these rules are fair. If you intentionally point a laser to disturb a pilot you will get fined, if it is accidental you are not punished since you did notihing wrong. And if the aircraft would actually crash due to your actions alone, you would still be convicted of a major crime (death by guilt, manslaughter or murder, depending on the motive).

most of the cases that I have seen come up in the news have gone some were between the min sentence and the medium part of the statues for laser strikes against aircraft. I have not heard of any laser strikes actually bringing down a aircraft. The thing of it is that the feds want to make examples of the people using them against aircraft. I am for making examples of idiots that are going to do this kind idiocy. But the sentences to me need to make sense. Other wise they would do something like hang some one for doing it. Or some other bs like that. I mean really its the us government they do stupid stuff like this all of the time. But make the punishment realistic not fantasy like they are trying to get

I'm not for hard sentences just to make an example out of someone, why make one individual pay for the potential sins of others? But law enforcement has been doing that for a very long time, as far back as recorded history.

Alaskan said:

I'm not for hard sentences just to make an example out of someone, why make one individual pay for the potential sins of others? But law enforcement has been doing that for a very long time, as far back as recorded history.

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Despite the fact that much like the death penalty, it's been proven not to work.

InfinitusEquitas said:

Despite the fact that much like the death penalty, it's been proven not to work.

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I'm confused, how does putting someone to death not stop them from repeating?

InfinitusEquitas said:

Despite the fact that much like the death penalty, it's been proven not to work.

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The death penalty doesn't work? It does partly work, am not in favor of it except in extreme cases like for example a serial killer. If a criminal is executed then they won't commit another crime, they also won't cost millions of dollars taking care of them for the rest of their lives. There's a few that deserve to be executed, or should we keep them around to study them and write books about them and make a movie about them? Anyway life in prison seems far more inhumane to me than the death penalty.

Alan