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Review of the "White Light" (RGB) 400mW Laser

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"WHITE LIGHT" (RGB)400mW LASER
Retail $135.00
Manufactured by (Unknown) for Techhood (http://stores.ebay.com/techhood
Last updated 09-10-13

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The "White Light" (RGB) 400mW Laser is a very small portable laser that does much the same as a $300,000.00 RGB plasma laser like I saw at the California State Fair in 1982; that laser system used argon-ion and krypton-ion lasers that were so large that the installation took up the better part of a small room (such as a bathroom), required active water cooling, and used enough power to run a house.

This laser uses directly-injected laser diodes for the red & blue, and a DPSS (Diode-Pumped Solid State) laser for the green.

The connectors that feed the red, green, and blue lasers in this unit can be unplugged, so that you can isolate various colors (like red, green, blue, purple, cyan, and yellow).

This laser has power outputs of 155mW (red), 82mW (green),190mW (blue) and 465mW (white --all three lasers on simultaneously.

The wavelengths were spectrographically measured at 660.660nm (red), 532.010nm (green), and 454.700nm (blue).

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To use your spiffy new "White Light" (RGB) 400mW Laser, take the included wire & connector combo (the one with red & black wires), and plug it into the shielded male receptacle on the corner nearest that large 1000µF electrolytic capacitor (the tallest component on the board; a large cylindrical (pop can-shaped) thing).

If the connector on the free end doesn't fit any 7.5 to 12 volt DC power supply you have, take a pair of dikes (the wirecutters, not the other kind!
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), snip the connector off, and strip the insulation off the two wires.

Connect the wire with the black stripe on it to the negative (-) terminal of a power source that delivers +7.5 to +12 volt DC and can comfortably sink at least 1,000mA (1 amp), and connect the red wire (without a black stripe on it or black anywhere on it for that matter) to the positive (+) terminal. In my case, I used a pair of 18650 lithium ion cells in series to get ~7.6 volts.

As soon as the power supply is energised, the laser will fire up. Be certain that the laser is not directed to your eyes (or to the eyes of any person or animal in the vicinity) and/or directed toward any flammable materials before you apply power to it.

Current usage measures a rather modest 961mA when powered with two series 18650 cells; my bench power supply simply doesn't have the balls to sink this amount of current at +12 volts as this module is supposedly rated for its input voltage.

The three beams do coalesce into a single white spot (both right at the laser aperture and farther away) quite well -- better than I was expecting actually...but additional testing has revealed that the beams seperate quite noticeably when the laser is directed at a target ~200 feet distant.

The biggest downside to this laser is the fact that while this is clearly a CDRH Class IIIb laser (making it somewhat dangerous!!!), there are no safety features at all that are normally required in Class IIIb lasers; e.g., there is no "emissions" indicator, no startup delay, no interlock of ANY type, and no mechanical beam shutter. This laser behaves like a Class IIIa laser pointer in this regard, which I believe is a rather severe no-no!!!


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Beam terminus photograph on the test target at 12".
Beam image bloomed ***SIGNIFIGANTLY*** even though photoflash was used to help mitigate that!!!


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Beam terminus photograph on a wall at ~8 feet.
Beam image also bloomed somewhat even though photoflash was used.


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Photograph of the laser's actual beam.


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Another photograph of the laser's actual beam.


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Yet another photograph of the laser's actual beam.
Note that in this photo, you can see the green beam seperate from the other two.


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Yet another photograph of the laser's actual beam.
Note that in this photo (as well as the above one), you can see the green beam seperate from the other two.


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Photograph of the laser's actual beam outdoors in fog.
Photo was taken at 5:29am PDT on 09-09-13 in Federal Way WA. USA.


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Beam photograph on a wall at ~55 feet to show that the laser's beams are not perfectly aligned.


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Spectrographic analysis of this laser (all on).


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Spectrographic analysis of this laser (red), spectrometer's response narrowed to a band between 645nm and 655nm to pinpoint wavelength, which is 660.660nm.


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Spectrographic analysis of this laser (green), spectrometer's response narrowed to a band between 528nm and 538nm to pinpoint wavelength, which is 532.010nm.


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Spectrographic analysis of this laser (blue), spectrometer's response narrowed to a band between 450nm and 460nm to pinpoint wavelength, which is 454.700nm.

The raw spectrometer data (comma-delimited that can be loaded into Excel) is at http://ledmuseum.candlepower.us/42/rgbw.txt

USB2000 Spectrometer graciously donated by P.L.


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Beam cross-sectional analysis (fast axis {X-axis}).


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Beam cross-sectional analysis (slow axis {Y-axis}).
Those spots in the beams in both analyses are artifacts from the lens used to diverge the beams.

Images made using the ProMetric System by Radiant Imaging.


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Power output (red lasers only) peaks at 155mW.


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Power output (green laser only) peaks at 82mW.


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Power output (blue laser only) peaks at 190mW.


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(All lasers on {RGB}): Power output peaks at 449mW.


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Power output (all lasers on) peaks at 450mW -- known freshly charged batteries were used for this test.
The laser was allowed to warm up for 205 seconds.

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Power output (all lasers on) peaks at 461mW -- again, known freshly charged batteries were used for this test.
The laser was allowed to warm up for 230 seconds.

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Power output (all lasers on) peaks at 465mW -- again, known freshly charged batteries were used for this test.
This measurement was conducted on 09-09-13.


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Short-term (600 seconds {10 minutes}) stability analysis.

All tests were conducted on a LaserBee 2.5W USB Laser Power Meter w/Thermopile.

TEST NOTES:
Test unit was purchased on Ebay on 04-09-13 and was received at 11:32am PST on 04-22-13

UPDATE: 04-24-13
I took it outside for a little distance test...the results aren't good folks!
At approx. 200 feet, the beams were very clearly seperated -- I did not at all expect to see this considering how well the beams stayed coalesced into a white spot at indoor distances.

As a result, a star is coming off its rating.


PROS:
Compact size & shape
Operates from low voltage DC


NEUTRAL:

CONS:
No safety features required of a CDRH Class IIIb laser -- that took out one star
"White" (all three beams combined) beam comes apart with distance -- that's what nocked that last star off

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MANUFACTURER: Unknown
PRODUCT TYPE: RGB ("white light") laser
LAMP TYPE: Laser diodes (R & B directly injected; G is DPSS)
No. OF LAMPS: 3
BEAM TYPE: Extremely narrow spot
SWITCH TYPE: N/A
CASE MATERIAL: Metal & fiberglass
BEZEL: Metal; lasers recessed into a hosel for them
BATTERY: N/A
CURRENT CONSUMPTION: 961mA when powered with two series 18650 cells
WATER-RESISTANT: No
SUBMERSIBLE: For heaven sakes NO!
ACCESSORIES: Two small cords terminated in two-pin female connectors
SIZE: 80mm L x 41mm W x 81mm H
WEIGHT: 521.00g (18.380 oz.)
COUNTRY OF MANUFACTURE: Unknown/not stated; possibly China
WARRANTY: Unknown/not stated

PRODUCT RATING:
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Update 04-25-13: Added two photographs.

Update 04-27-13: Performed another power output analysis using freshly charged batteries.

Update 04-30-13: Performed a third power output analysis using freshly charged batteries; also did a short-term stability analysis.

Update 09-10-13: Added several beam (not beam terminus) photos & performed another power output analysis using freshly charged batteries.
 
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This is a fantastic review and very helpful as I have been considering making this purchase! Thanks and a +1 to you!

-Isaac
 
That's one cool toy ya got there.
Good review also.
 
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BTTT: Performed a third power output analysis using freshly charged batteries; also did a short-term stability analysis.
 
Question, do the TTL modulation works in yours? mine arrived and only blue seems to be able to be turned off by putting it to ground, in this case shorting it.
when I measure the pins of the TTL, blue (the only one apparently working) has 4v, red and green 2.6v and have no change if I put 5v or 0v on them.
 
OK, since I'm always the luckiest one..... my 200mW RBG was not TTL driving the red and green lasers, only the blue one.

After several emails with the seller (techood) and since he doesn't understand anything and I did not wanted to send my laser back, I had to check the circuit a little bit, and oh wow... I'm so lucky that got a defective driver , looks like in this board version they just forgot to connect something.

In the pictures, the emitter of Q2 and Q4 should be grounded to make possible the TTL modulation to work, and they are NOT from factory, so, I had to make a little bridge on the back of the board (as shown in the pictures) to put the needed ground to the emitter of the transistors and ..........

now they work :drool:.

so.... if your green and red diodes do not shut off when putting a negative on the TTL input, you might be another lucky b....d like me and here is a very easy solution.

LATER: I also now realigned the blue that was a bit off, lucky no need to move the mirrors, just untight the alen screws and tap it a bit, now I got a nice RGB considerably well aligned and working with TTL, :D
 

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BTTT: Added several beam (not beam terminus) photos & performed another power output analysis using freshly charged batteries.
 
This is an amazing laser however it would be nice if it were possible to make the RGB curves 100% identical so that the light were ACTUALLY white. This is impressive though. I suppose it could be possible if you were to make a program that regulated the output of the laser in real time based on analysis of the curves in real time so that it could be perfect. This would be incredibly hard to do though, way out of my capability. If you were to do it though you could get an imperfect mirror that refelcted all wavelengths equally and directed part of the beam at a curve analyzer. you could connect this analyzer to a micro controller and connect the micro controller to digital potentiometers (if they exist... which they probably do) on the adjust of an LM317 circut. But holy crap that would take some skill and a hell of a lot of time.
 
Could you use a galvo with a blade attached that turned one of those fairly large potentiometers?

A very slow turning galvo, same kind used in lumias.

To prototype this would be ... ugly. As per usual.
 
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Could you use a galvo with a blade attached that turned one of those fairly large potentiometers?

A very slow turning galvo, same kind used in lumias.

To prototype this would be ... ugly. As per usual.

Im pretty sure that there's an easier way to do this... I'm not an electrical engineering major though.
 
Could you use a galvo with a blade attached that turned one of those fairly large potentiometers?

A very slow turning galvo, same kind used in lumias.

To prototype this would be ... ugly. As per usual.

Which pot are you referring? If it is the blue ones on the driver in the pics above, It won't work because those are 25 Turn devices (end to end) and most trimmers are rated at operating 500cycles or less. Meaning the resistive element wears out pretty quick since they are basically set and forget devices.

If you're going to use an external pot, well, a better idea would be an LED-LDR optocoupler but those are expensive and would need a different driver circuit for the LED. Would have a faster response though.
 


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