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Review/build 3W+ 1x26650 with Sinner MSSSW host, by offroad

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Review and build of Sinner's MSSSW by offroad!


Hey guys!

So after a long wait it finally came to my doorstep :eg:. Yes i am talking about the MSSSW sinner's secret custom hosts! This is going to be an extensive review of the host itself and how i build the first one (the next i will probably do a little different.

Especially since these were 1x 26650 these for now a unique (i believe). I fell in love with this host. I think if you look at it you will too! :wave:

First want to thank Sinner for this amazing chance to let me build these beauties. This host is my new favorite. I really like ehgemus his work aswell but the looks of this are just undeniable. :can:

Now one is finished with an 9mm 445. I will do the other one when i have time again and received another switch because i fried one lol (I will come back at that later) :tinfoil:

So let's start with a little drooling:

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Well you get the point :gun: This thing is amazing. Let go from the part when i recieved the hosts and i took them apart so i could review threading and polishing. On with the pics!

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Aren't these amazing? :D Let's take them apart and see how they break down. First the focus ring fall's off. Because well duh they still need a lens in them. :eek:

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Tak note on the fine details in front of this focus adapter. I love the detailed work that got into this. The focus adapter still needs a lensnut to be pressed in. Let's do the picture's some more talking :wave:

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This is a direct press head. NOTE. Mine were to small to directly press an Aixiz into them so i use a dremel and fine sandpaper to make it a little more accesable! When you take away the heads you see these pills. You can screw them out.

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Each pill has some nice caps with them so you can easily make the + or - pole and press them in. Again mine were to big so used the dremel again to make them fit. (Better big then too small, you cant file material onto it :p)

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These are some nice machined body's! :D And then at last there are some tailclicky's!

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Note all the threading on all the picture's Thet may not be perfectly clean everywhere but this is how they came out of the box and i couldn't be happier with the threading and finish on these! Here is the total break down! Sinner was even including a very nice 26650 to 18650 adapter :wave:

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Now for building one of these monsters :gun: For this build i used two ben boost mini's in parrallel. I used the stock 9mm lens in a DTR lensnut. But before we get to all of that good stuff you first have to make a switch! :tinfoil: Wasn't exprecting that but in the end it is just a little bit more work. This is how i did it:

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Now there are many way to do this but i thought this was probably my best bet. I drilled a very tiny hole (not entirely through) and pressed a small nail into it. This way i could solder a lead very easily to the host and the first pin of the switch. Next i soldered a nail to the other pin and filled it with hot glue. DAAMMM don't do that! The switch melted right away :tinfoil:so i had to order a replacement. With the other one i did a better job.

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I still kinda disliked the looks of it and went ahead and epoxy'd a nice rubber top onto it! That looked like a finished clicky to me :wave: The clicky itself i don't really like. It feels very wooly and a better quality switch is better (Just IMHO) Anyway it workes like a charm!

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Next i went on with preparing the pill. I put a thin layer of thermal glue onto the bottom. After wiring the dual ben boost i glued them in! Take note i again drilled a small hole and put a nail into it to make a solid ground contact point.

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While that settled i went on and pressed a lens nut into the focus adapterand pressed the diode into place Again you might want to drill the head a bit so it fit's the Aixiz better:

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In the meanwhile my pill has settled and it is time to close it up! I used a protected 22650 in this buils which was way to long :( So what i did was trim the plastic part and pressed it a little recessed into the host to the bigger 22650 wil fit. I used the trustfire ones that Blord reviewed a while and they performed ok!

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And when i closed it all up i immediatly out of exitement hooked it up to my test load!

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I got a rock solid 2.1A. This is a very safe current.

I hooked it up to my nice 9mm diode and fired it up (with goggles ofcourse!!!)

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And :gun: :gun: :gun: IT IS ALIVE :beer: :beer:

I went ahead and got myself a reading using "peregrine" and my ophir meter with the "ARGLASER" datalogging option. Awesome stuff guys! And so i did a three minute reading!

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That is what i call a nice output! no weird ripples nothing. Just a steady drop in power when the host is getting warmer. it peaks at 3180mW and after three minutes settles at 2870mW. which is a decrease of about 310mW. This high decreaseay be due to the heat the benboosts generate in comparison to normal buck setup. Also maybe the current sagged a little bit in this reading. So what i did was put on an extra small heatsink ontop of the pill.

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while the thermal glue dried i charged my 26650 cells and took another second run! :D This was also from a total cold start

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The reading is higher and more stable then the last one. This time i got a peak of 3428mW for a split second and it settled at around 3160mW. After three minutes the power was about 3030mW so this time the decrease was only 130mW! :) That is more like it! :beer:

Now what would a review be without a few beamshots? Sorry for the blueish teint sometimes. I you point the laser at something wite the entire room lights up!

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Thanks for looking :wave:

 
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Re: Review/build 3W+ 1x22650 with Sinner MSSSW host

I must say this is one extensive review and a build tutorial :gj: Loved the nice bright blue beam finally coming out of those focus adapters :beer:
 
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That's a really beautiful host! It's a shame about all the finish work you had to perform..unless that was part of the deal.

Congrats and +1 on the 3W mark! I'm itching desperately to get there myself. I'll see you in that clubhouse in about another month...
 
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I must say this is one extensive review and a build tutorial :gj: Loved the nice bright blue beam finally coming out of those focus adapters :beer:

Magnificent host, Sinner! Man, do I wish I could afford those beautiful hosts!

Well done, sir!
 
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Thanks guys! I added some info about the power decrease to the OP. After a long run the part were the ben boosts are feels warmer them the rest. I think the drop in power may be due to this heat. Not the mass of the host. There is some room on top of the pill left maybe i will sticka copper bar on there and see what it does :)

Greetings!

Edit: also if you look the peak only lasts seconds and the drops slowly from 3050mW. In that case the power drop is not that massive.
 
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I have been having a very difficult time getting my X-Boost to cool down, I've added dozens of grams of copper. These boost drives just get so hot. I may have to find a way to buck my way to 3W.
 

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Re: Review/build 3W+ 1x22650 with Sinner MSSSW host

With X-Boosts you need more heatsinking and also it does matter is that you use arctic silver and press them while its cured.. If you just mount the driver on a heap of white silicone thermal adhesive it will not be a 100% bond but still works though!

I like to heatsink my drivers to the most extensively possible, but not just X-Boosts but all Boost drives have a hard time converting those V's into A's beyond 1A.. That much heat is acceptable!!

P.S: Offroad polishing these was a messy job , this host had a lot of hidden surfaces even though i was thorough!
 

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This is a beautiful host! The attention to detail on those front focus adapters is exquisite! Reminds me of the laser symbol.May I ask what current this is running at? If I missed where you wrote it I apologize, couldn't find where you said what the benboosts were set at.

+1 for a great build!!!!

PS - be careful what you shine it at, lol. I took some beamshots not too long ago and I thought it was hitting the wall. Turns out it was hitting a microfiber blanket I have and that night I discovered some holes. Miiiiiiight need to make a trip to walmart or something for a new blanket haha.
 
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It's running at 2A (2050mA) to be precise! :beer: and thanks for the kind words wbs!!

@Offroad: I remember making a 26650 host, did you use a 22650 battery :thinking:
 
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PS - be careful what you shine it at, lol. I took some beamshots not too long ago and I thought it was hitting the wall. Turns out it was hitting a microfiber blanket I have and that night I discovered some holes. Miiiiiiight need to make a trip to walmart or something for a new blanket haha.

Lol yeah i have some random burnspots on my wallpaper in the pc room. Even from a few meters and focussed to infinity these lasers burn the crap out of everything!
 

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Re: Review/build 3W+ 1x22650 with Sinner MSSSW host

It is a very splendid host.
I am very sorry that I was not able to purchase this host.
 
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Re: Review/build 3W+ 1x22650 with Sinner MSSSW host, by offroad

Updated OP with a second run on fully charged cells. Also put a little heatsink on top of the pill :beer: :beer:
 
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Re: Review/build 3W+ 1x22650 with Sinner MSSSW host, by offroad

This is a great review full of nice pics & detailed information! Well done :)

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Great build man :beer:

I'm waiting for my MSSSW for my first 3W + build.

Thanks for sharing it with us :thanks:

+1000 :gj:
 
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Just received my MSSSW today, and I have to say it's a beauty.... will make for one monster of a laser, and easily the king of my 445 lasers.
 




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