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Default Blue-Blue dichro from LIVE lasersystems for combining 445 and 462nm

Thank you Diachi for puting my attention to this amaising new dichro mirror.

The thread about it is in Photonlexicon forum, Group Buys section. The price is not low (EUR95+ taxes/shipping), but I do not know anything similar under 500-800USD.

So the idea was to combine 4 most powerful LDs we have at the moment - NUBM44 and NUBM07E. Both are blues with ~15nm difference in wavelength.
2 of each are pretty easily combined via PBS but there is no way to make a single beam from 4 or more (if we want to add green etc.) except using Dichro mirrors. Again, single beams means no knife edging involved, so the resulting combined beam could be easily shaped for every purpose.

I purchased one from LIVE lasersystems in Austria. The seller provided a spectrogramm (I may attach it later) which was not very encouraging for wavelengths I work with (452 and 470 nm) but the best way of testing is experiment.
So, first I tested the recently made light engine from my blaster with 2 PBS combined 07E at 4.5A current and the presumably 470nm beam was very well reflected by this dichro with ~95% efficiency.

Second, I tested the NUBM44 with driver set at 5A (it is fixed in another PBS combined device, so the reading is after the presumably 452nm beam has passed PBS and cylindricals). Here the transparence was at 97%

Third, I tested 3 more NUBM44 obtained from DTR during last and this year with drivers set at 4.5A and for all of their beams this dichro has shown a good transparense of around 93%.

Next I would like to test it with NUBM06 when DTR has them back in stock.
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A single beam of over 20 Watts...

I've been wanting to do pairs of NUMB44s/NUMB06Es PBS combined on a 3 cell Maglite build.

I could build one of each, than use the "heads" for a combined build using this dichro...
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You're most welcome, good to see people doing stuff with these dichros! Keep us posted on your experiments!
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Calling it now. Within 5 years someone will have built a 100W visible handheld.
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Calling it now. Within 5 years someone will have built a 100W visible handheld.
Take 5 of my proposed assemblies and knife them together for a 100W square beam.

It would take 30 32650 batteries to power it all.

That's about 12lbs in just batteries.

I bet I could build a 20 Watt handheld from a 6 cell Maglite this year though...
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Take 5 of my proposed assemblies and knife them together for a 100W square beam.

It would take 30 32650 batteries to power it all.

That's about 12lbs in just batteries.

I bet I could build a 20 Watt handheld from a 6 cell Maglite this year though...
You have a 2 months to get this thing built and posted up here for for the season of spending money celebration
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You have a 2 months to get this thing built and posted up here for for the season of spending money celebration
I came up with a way to cut build cost in half by temp gluing optics to the Newport Mounts temp gluing those in place, make all adjustments, glue optics directly to mount/sink and remove the Newport Mounts so they can be used again.

This saves me buying a bunch of them and allows me even more compact optical arrangements.

I think I can fit the 4 Diode 2x PBS to Dicro 20 watt assembly within the footprint of The Belphegors head assembly this way.

I'll try to whip something up in paint...



It is actually a bit smaller than the Belphegor in this layout.

If the BlackBuck external pot drivers test well I think I could add adjustable beam controls and go as high as 24-26 Watts maybe higher for short bursts if I push the diodes a bit (Even considering optical loss).

This would all fit on a 6 Cell Maglite.

An interesting variation might be a phaser rifle/blaster rifle build from a toy/prop host...
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Can you add more engineering details to this drawing, please?

I mean dimentions, kind of mounts/heatsinks you plan to use (or machine yourself), what diodes to combine in order to get 26W output?
What kind of beam you want to get omitting waveplates and corrections optics from your design?
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I came up with a way to cut build cost in half by temp gluing optics to the Newport Mounts temp gluing those in place, make all adjustments, glue optics directly to mount/sink and remove the Newport Mounts so they can be used again.

That's basically how it's done in a lot of lab lasers, saves space and reduces cost. Just need to hope it never goes out of alignment
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Drawing is to scale of a D Cell Maglite head plus sink, this includes the size of diodes and components.

The PBS cubes would be mounted with temporary 1/2 in adjustment mounts then fixed in place, same for mirror and dichro.

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Here is the most basic arrangement without any heat sinks, this could all be mounted on one flat surface.

As for the actual layout, construction method and exact dimensions I plan to keep those to myself tell I have this built.
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Did you make that optical bench or.....?
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What do you mean saying "or..."

Sure I made both of them.
About one on Thorlabs baseplate the story with pictures is described in Red Cowboys' thread about "Beam splitter for 14W of blue".
The other (on 3mm Al sheet) was built for "6.6W blaster" in Other Colours section.
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