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Default "Triple Silver Guidesman" - DIY 1650mA LM1117 Build

This builds on some of the discussions from driver threads re: combining LM317 ICs to achieve higher currents.

Didn't have much luck with the LM317s on two li-ion cells, powering a 445. But I've found that combining THREE of the lower drop-out LM1117s, along with the balancing resistor design anselm found, worked quite well!

Here's the circuit I settled on:


The 2 Ohm resistors would suggest a total output of ~1800 mA. Ultimately the design resulted in a consistent 1650 mA. I'm chalking the shortfall up to the balancing resistors.

At ~600mA per Lm1117, we're running them under their suggested current limit. They don't seem to get particularly hot.

Here's a shot of the guts all stuffed in the guidesman host. I used a stiff piece of copper, wound in a single circle around the inside of the host (soldered to the walls) to retrieve the (-) from the case.


And here it is next to Pocket Mini Chrome, my "Guerrilla Blue" build (1,000mA), and my "Indie Bullet" which although 1,600mA at the time of writing that thread, has now been rewired with the same 1,000 mA driver as my Guerrilla Blue.


You can tell in the photo, but it's even more obvious in real life that this build is noticeably higher powered than the other three.

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You... again??
Damn boy, you need to give a break between builds so people can rep you again

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ooooh btw, the 2 ohm resistors should not limit the current out as you built. The only thing limiting the output there should be the balancing 0.2 ohm resistors
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Impressive build man. Very nice work. +1 But answer me this question. Considering each lm1117 has a vdrop of ~2.2 V ( sorry i cant remember how much exactly ), wouldn't the whole driver have a total vdrop of 3x2.2 V ?
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No. Because the drivers are paralleled, not series (even I don't think series drivers are possible lol)

dropout = 1.5v (2.5v for 317)
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Holy shi*t, I MUST build one driver like this that's insanely epic, to have same drop as though you were using only one regulator Thanks for clarifying that, Leodahsan

@rhd, is it a trouble getting some photos of the wiring you did on the components? I can see everything pushed in there but that's kind of,err tricky if something breaks isnt it? Also, thanks for the schematic

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unfortunately he needs balancing resistors, that lower the output a bit. Still a great deal

Soon you will see what is a REAL DIY............
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Nice job! Always nice to see creative DIY.

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Silvershot: It's actually around 1.5V (+/- a bit), and they're in parallel, so the vdrop doesn't get multiplied.

And yes, very tricky if something breaks. If that happens, I'm building a new driver It's not actually chaos - there's quite a bit of "organization" inside that tiny driver pill - it just doesn't look like it from above!

Leo: Those balancing resistors were key to making it all work.

And I have one more crazy build up my sleeve tonight, then I'm hittin the books for a while
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it is wired incorrectly as I read but ok..
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Awesome how you put our combined "research" into practice!
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Hey Leo:
What's my mistake?

Anselm:
I got mine on eBay. Search "LM1117 adj"

The "adj" is important - you don't want a fixed voltage version.

They're dirt cheap from China - like $10 shipped for 50x.
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the output goes thru the OUT, not thru the ADJ, hence you need to let the output pass only thru the 0.2ohm resistor, not by the 2 ohm AND by the 0.2 ohm. People say that the driver goes UNSTABLE but the results were inconclusive. I personally prefer doing it the right way than the bad way but thats just me
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the output goes thru the OUT, not thru the ADJ, hence you need to let the output pass only thru the 0.2ohm resistor, not by the 2 ohm AND by the 0.2 ohm. People say that the driver goes UNSTABLE but the results were inconclusive. I personally prefer doing it the right way than the bad way but thats just me
If you take a look at the famous DDL driver, the is also a resistor or two connected in parallel to the ADJ and OUT pins of the lm317. Why would it be harmful by any means?
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the output goes thru the OUT, not thru the ADJ, hence you need to let the output pass only thru the 0.2ohm resistor, not by the 2 ohm AND by the 0.2 ohm. People say that the driver goes UNSTABLE but the results were inconclusive. I personally prefer doing it the right way than the bad way but thats just me
No - it goes out through the ADJ. That graphic lays out the inputs confusingly, which is probably what is throwing you. Take a look at the typical DDL:



The output is going out of the "left-most" pin. Take a look at a pinout of the LM317 (same as LM1117)


That's the "ADJ" pin.

Remember, we're wiring these up differently since they're being used as current regulators, not voltage regulators. My wiring was correct. The diagram I plagiarized is also correct, but definitely confusing.

At least - that's my take. I could be wrong on some or all of the above
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Default Re: "Triple Silver Guidesman" - DIY 1650mA LM1117 Build

I never noticed that the output gone thru the ADJUST pin. That does not sound OK for me but, as it worked for ALL people that builded that driver, I AM WRONG

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