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that's too bad, but thank you for being the first to find this out, I'm sure you saved a number of members some good money with these results. I'll try to throw you a bit for your help with these, as I almost bought one of these drives myself.
The efficiency graph shows a different shape than the identified 8X's. I think we should wait until one of the more knowledgeable members looks at the graphs to see if that is significant before we declare them 8X's.


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The efficiency graph shows a different shape than the identified 8X's. I think we should wait until one of the more knowledgeable members looks at the graphs to see if that is significant before we declare them 8X's.





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I'm sure IgorT will eventually chime in here, but to me it looks like the two 12X's are just one "good" 8X and one "normal" 8X

If that ends up being the case, I've got PLENTY of 8X's now

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If it turns out to be that I'll buy one off of you Dave. I need one that can be seen in the day. The one I got is lower than 405 so I would love to have a visible beam for the day use. Besides I have two Jayrob hosts and only one module
Even a higher wavelength might not do this for you. I have had diodes up to 415nm (granted @ "only" 250mW). They could not be "seen in the day."

They appeared one heckofalot brighter than a 405nm next to it, but no beam in daylight.

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Thanks to Dave and others for this analysis.
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Even a higher wavelength might not do this for you. I have had diodes up to 415nm (granted @ "only" 250mW). They could not be "seen in the day."

They appeared one heckofalot brighter than a 405nm next to it, but no beam in daylight.

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Well if you decide to sell I'll take the brightest one you got.
LOL! I haven't even really "seen" them yet. The light during the test shines directly into the 4 inch deep "heat sink" of the thermopile.

I do get to see the violet glow

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I do get to see the violet glow

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Yeah its almost magical isnt it. I hope it doesn't turn out to be an 8x. What a waste of money. Hmm I smell a conspiracy here
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The 203 and the 205 burners ARE different AND there are differences in the sleds.

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But thats it. At least thats what the data displays right?
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But thats it. At least thats what the data displays right?
That's what we are testing (and maybe getting close to deciding).

We just need one of the more "educated" scientists on the list to look at the graphs

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I can wait. A real 12x would be brighter I hope. I know its at the end of the visibility of the human eye but still... I love to look at it. It makes everything shine especially at night. My pillow lights up like its radioactive and the airsoft bbs I have shine a bright green. Ah and silly string loves to glow too.


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EDIT: Yeah I'm part kid still at 28... so what?
Lol i feel you! Same story exactly.... Damn when will I grow up.... Never!!!
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Seems like these are still 8x diodes

However we probably wont know for sure until someone pushes it higher...

Guess I'll be waiting a bit more on the 12x build...


On the bright side, 8x drives are getting cheaper

Also, even if it is a hand-picked 8x diode, it's probably still worth it.

I mean Pioneer 12x is $220 and the LG 8x is $180 on newegg. The $40 difference might be worth it to guarantee we get a high efficiency diode. If mean we would pay $50 for a high efficiency lens anyway...
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Didn't have any doubt about it being the same diode,
they are probably selected, but not for high efficiency,
they probably discard the low efficiency ones.
We'd have other manufacturers with 12X were it all down to
a more powerful diode. Pioneer instead has outdone the competition optimizing losses with their own technology, so they can leapfrog the competition.
If they maintain this edge, when the more powerful diodes do come out, we can expect Pioneer to go few Xs higher on the same diode.
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