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Old 06-20-2009, 03:16 AM #1
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Question Lighting a floating campfire 50 yards away

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So here's the challenge I'm trying to accomplish: each year, my Boy Scout troop does a nice ceremony for new Scouts. A nice effect which we have had the last few years is to have floating campfires - we build a floating platform, build a large campfire on top of it, put it in the middle of the lake, and use an anchor to keep it relatively in the same place.

We usually build 2-4 campfires on the water, the farthest is ~50 yards away. When the time comes, we need to light all of them in rapid succession and get back to shore. The campfires burn for about 20-25 minutes (we obviously can't just throw more wood on), so getting them lit quickly at the last minute is important.

Previously, we sent someone in a kayak, but that's slow and hard to coordinate. Was looking for new ways to do that this year, my three ideas are laser ignition, a pullstring trigger with glycerol+potassium permanganate, or a torch on a remote control boat.

My question for you folks here: is laser ignition possible? Is this a valid approach to this problem?

Some additional parameters:
* The fires are floating on the lake. They'll always be bobbing up and down slightly, which means pinpoint accuracy is not possible.
* There will be some amount of moisture in the air, and the fires will be on the lake for several hours before they are lit, due to the timing of the ceremony and setup.
* I can use as many matchheads or other supplies as I need to. 100 matcheads tied in a cluster, surrounded by dryer lint which is soaked in kerosene is a totally reasonable project.
* We'll get a ready-to-go signal at some point. From then, all fires must be lit in ~2 minutes or less.

So, what do you folks think? Possible? What challenges will I face? Any other recommendations?


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Think you throw some Maltov cocktail on each of the campfires. The lasers need to be focused and with all that bouncing on the water I think you may have problems.

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50 yards away eh thats 150 feet right?

We know that a cw 500-600mw good focused green can pop a black balloon at 120 feet.
So why not 150 feet with a flammable liquid?

But it's still not very pracital...
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WELL, You could get a ~400mW green with a beam expander and have a bunch of black-tipped sharpies on the rafts and light it that way. Way more trouble than its worth...id go with waterproof fuse personally...
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Okay, sounds like it's going to more trouble - or more expensive - than it's worth. I'll try a different method. (Next method: glycerol + potassium permanganate chemical reaction!)

Eku: I think there's about 50 scouts registered for camp already, plus 50+ adults and old Eagles go to camp. It's a decent size troop.

Thanks for your help all!
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Lol Tj I was gonna suggest that he ask's for donations to buy the laser for lighting the campfire :P
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some old batteries, a simple light-trigger circuit, an LDR shielded in a plastic tube (so only from your position you can illuminate it), an electric ignition device, and some little combustible for make it burn good ..... just as idea.

Then all that you have to do, is illuminate the LDR with your laser pointer (preferably green, for the effect )
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WELL, You could get a ~400mW green with a beam expander and have a bunch of black-tipped sharpies on the rafts and light it that way. Way more trouble than its worth...id go with waterproof fuse personally...
The best you could get is a IR laser. Forget about using green or red lasers to do this.

Also, It would be WAAAAAAY easier to do it any other way.

what about playing a game? The one who ignite them with burning arrows wins!

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what about playing a game? The one who ignite them with burning arrows wins!
Uhm ..... and who keep care of all the burning arrows that DON'T hit the fire, and start flames here and there ? .....
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I think electric ignition would be the easiest approach.

Its easiest to just use timers, but RF or IR control is feasible as well. Especially IR would be very cheap to construct, you can just let the sensor and PIC/AVR burn up there since its only a few bucks worth of electronics.

You might want to increase the range of the remote over standard though, i'd think about using a star-style IR led in a flashlight reflector as a feasible transmitter.
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Hey I think you should go with your first idea.. but might need some help with that pull string idea... I was thinking of maybe a pull ring ignition.... if you are good with pyrotechincs try make this..
YouTube - How To Make A Pull Ring Smoke Grenade

maybe try attaching this to some flash powder for a bit of a boom and that can set off another reaction that is slower allowing the wet wood to burn or you could stick that in some fuel that will burn slow aswell... any way its up to you...

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How are you going to see an IR beam to aim? The fires are out in a lake.

Please don't use any flammable substances on the lake. They pollute and kill marine life. Once it goes in it never dissipates.
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