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I decided to get a laser out of a dvd burner that was no longer working and i successfully located and removed it.
except i couldnt figure out how to remove it from the cast iron tomb it was incased! so i thought hey the top of the
diode looks pretty strong ill try and tap it out. firstly it didnt come out and secondly i shattered the little glass lens
that is at the end of the diode. It still works but its unfocused beam is now even further unfocused! i was wondering
if this will still work in a housing and will still get a beam? i eventually figured out a way of removing it which was to
saw one side of the case and using pliers peel away the casing. if i shake the diode i can actually heard the glass moving.
Should i try and remove the glass with a needle or something?


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If there are pieces of glass (the window) still in the opening, they may interfere with a good beam. If they are off to the side, sometimes you can secure them there.

In any event, you need to get it into a module with a lens so you can focus the beam. The module should also have some heat sinking to pull heat away from the diode. Lastly, you should have a current regulating driver to control the current (and thus the output) as well as protecting the diode from "spikes."

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I seem to remember people cutting the cans off of diodes like this so they were open, I don't recall what exactly for, but I remember it for some reason.

These are 9mm diodes, a similar style case. If you had the dexterity I think you could cut the front off of the diode and leave it open like these diodes.

http://www.*****************.com/sho...?id_product=60

I would wait to see if someone with a touch more experience confirms this! I think you got really lucky, hitting it with a hammer like that, I blown diodes with a lot less force than that!

I guess I can't post a link, here's a picture of a open diode though

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just because you are a newwwb i will elaborate a little on to what dave said., when he means lens, he is NOT speaking of the glass that you already broke. the bare diode does not have a focusing lens. the glass you broke is a protective shield more or less. you need an actual lens assembly and a housing for your diode.


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I seem to remember people cutting the cans off of diodes like this so they were open, I don't recall what exactly for, but I remember it for some reason.

These are 9mm diodes, a similar style case. If you had the dexterity I think you could cut the front off of the diode and leave it open like these diodes.

http://www.*****************.com/sho...?id_product=60

I would wait to see if someone with a touch more experience confirms this! I think you got really lucky, hitting it with a hammer like that, I blown diodes with a lot less force than that!

I guess I can't post a link, here's a picture of a open diode though
I already ordered a Aixiz Laser Module Housing last night, so are you saying i could carefully cut the top off to make that small opening the same diameter as the can?
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Click on the search button and search "decan" and/or "decanning"

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i got the half the can off and the diode is good now, just gotta wait for the housing and figure out what this driver is that i have to make.
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i got the half the can off and the diode is good now, just gotta wait for the housing and figure out what this driver is that i have to make.
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dont skimp on a driver you'll regrett it just get a flex or rckstr or youll fry your diodes
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Yes you could, but not if you want your laser to last any longer than a couple of minutes.

If you don't want to spend 20, buy a cheap green laser pointer and take it apart to use its driver. You should be able to find a 5mW green for around $10.
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The driver in the green pointer was designed to drive several hundred mA @ 3V. You need about 170mA @ 5V. You do the math.

If this worked, there would be stuff all over this forum about it.

Trust me. There are already plenty of ways to make a mistake and blow a component without trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

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Hey Dave,

He's looking to drive a Red, if I've understood correctly. 170mA @ 5V sounds like a BR requirement? Or do you mean this as input to a linear driver like the DDL?

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The driver in the green pointer was designed to drive several hundred mA @ 3V. You need about 170mA @ 5V. You do the math.

If this worked, there would be stuff all over this forum about it.

Trust me. There are already plenty of ways to make a mistake and blow a component without trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.

Buy (or build) a driver designed for what you are trying to do.

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I've used cheap laser drivers with pot adjustments to run dvd diodes, in fact I'm using one to run a 635 diode right now at about 50mA. The laser works fine and has worked for a while, I even fit it back into the original pen housing.
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daguin was talking about the fact that dpss is much less efficient than straight diode-lens laser.
DPSS losses include: 808nm ->1024nm, 1024nm->532nm, and lasing medium inefficiencies, and collimating lens (some greens also have a concentrating lens between the diode and the crystals)
diode-lens losses mainly in the single lens.

That being said, to make up for those losses, you need a much more powerful pump diode, and you need to drive it much harder. Might take 200mA to get a red to put out near 300mW, but 200mA from a green laser's source might only put out 20mW of green in the end.
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Yes DPSS is very bad for waisting power my yellow 589 puts out 100mW on a good day but it draws 2700ma (2.7 amps) to do this, a 12x blu-ray diode running at 300ma can put out 301mW need I say more

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These are 9mm diodes, a similar style case. If you had the dexterity I think you could cut the front off of the diode and leave it open like these diodes.

http://www.*****************.com/sho...?id_product=60

I would wait to see if someone with a touch more experience confirms this! I think you got really lucky, hitting it with a hammer like that, I blown diodes with a lot less force than that!

I guess I can't post a link, here's a picture of a open diode though
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[QUOTE=BShanahan14rulz;688022]daguin was talking about the fact that dpss is much less efficient than straight diode-lens laser.
DPSS losses include: 808nm ->1024nm, 1024nm->532nm, and lasing medium inefficiencies, and collimating lens (some greens also have a concentrating lens between the diode and the crystals)
diode-lens losses mainly in the single lens.QUOTE]

Do you mean 1064nm?

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Absolutely. But I thought this thread was for noobs to make mistakes

besides, 1024 is a much prettier number than 1064.
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^ Ha. We're all allowed the odd one here and there! I make more than my share.

@Unclewho - It sounds like you've solved your initial problem so good luck for your future build. More pics when you're done we hope.

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