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Old 06-06-2016, 12:13 AM #65
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Default Re: Seeking links to good knife edging techniques material.

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It says it right there, photorefractive beam coupling, let's look it up, it's not a concave cyl, that will expand the beam.
It's possibly a bragg grate combiner.
I know what it says. That's why I included it in the picture snip. That phrase, however, means nothing to me nor do the very sparse search results for it.

Obviously the concave lens will expand the beams, but that can be corrected. The point of my post was whether a concave lens could be used to parallelize multiple beams. In fact, the the more global point of my post was whether any lens or refractive device could be used to parallelize/combine beams. You have not answered that.

Further, regardless of what photorefractive beam coupling means and regardless of whether it involves a concave lens, it uses some form of refraction to combine them. That's what I'm pursuing.



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Default Re: Seeking links to good knife edging techniques material.

It's possible, but the main issue here is that you need a very large lens compared to the incoming beams if you want to treat the beams as simple rays for purposes of collimation. At that point, you might as well be using a set of mirrors, or a bunch of prisms (such as in a fresnel lens).
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Default Re: Seeking links to good knife edging techniques material.

Somewhere in Youtube comments to some Death Star project I read suggestions to put a (small) biconcave lens in the Death Star focal pont in order to get combined beam at output like in the movie.
The problem, however, I think is that if the lens is big compared to beams diameter, then in the center of the lens its walls are almost parallel, so the beams would follow each its route as if there would be no lens at all. But this is just theory, maybe in real life it is not like that.

Other option I thought of would be doing circular Knife Edging with an axicon, but also here round beams would give better results than ones from multimode LDs...

Maybe if this could work, then someone would have done it already?
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I've been wanting to use a large lens to combine LD outputs and have one big fat low divergence beam on the output, I have a 12 inch diameter PCX lens I bought surplus, so I tried that with the uncollimated output of three LD's close together and all I got was three separate beams on the output, fat beams yes, but each had their own distinct beam. If a large biconcave lens can help, I will try that next and then collimate but it seems to me, the uncollmated output of a LD is no different than shooting the light through a concave lens.
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Default Re: Seeking links to good knife edging techniques material.

The problems is the distance between the emitters. Even with the diodes close together the emitters are very far apart(relative to the width of the emitters). You will always end up separate beams after the focusing lens. Knife edging effectively put the emitters next to each other. And if you can live with small gaps between the beams at exit you can make the beams overlap at a distance.
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How are the overlapping at distance, due to the divergence expanding the diameter of each beam?
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I think he means the edges overlapping the right amount, not complete overlap, and yes, because of the divergence.
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It says it right there, photorefractive beam coupling, let's look it up, it's not a concave cyl, that will expand the beam.
It's possibly a bragg grate combiner.

Research continues to advance photorefractive beam coupling--
http://www.laserfocusworld.com/artic...-coupling.html

Photo and explaination for the four beams combining is here: https://teamafrl.afciviliancareers.c...1-34_08-29.pdf

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