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Default Anyone ever heard of LLLT or phototherapy?

So I recently looked into laser therapy, before i ramble, id appreciate if folks watch this 5- minute video, but please consider the studies first.

maybe it sounds like quakery so heres a load of studies compiled in each link.

Laser Treatment | GreenMedInfo | Therapeutic Action | Natural
Laser Treatment: Low-Level | GreenMedInfo | Therapeutic Action

light therapy is different aka phototherapy, helps with seasonal disorder and few other things
Light Therapy | GreenMedInfo | Therapeutic Action | Natural Medicine

and that video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJtPmIMUBJU

so just enough joules, not too many or you will fry yourself of course, this helps stimulate mitochondria to produce more atp, therefore quicker healing process.

Now whether or not folks here on forum agree or disagree im up to debate.
I have a problem though, because many so called "medical grade" laser companies will charge you through the nose.

That k-laser cost at least 20k. Its ridiculous.

Its all about wavelength, power aka watts = dosage and lens.

continuous wave or pulsing isnt well proven, at least from what ive heard given the time i have these days.


the lens is very important, its supposed to be 1 joule per cm2. Convex lens does this. Conventional or consumer grade lasers have very concentrated beams, so trying to get an optimal 808nm laser @ 2 joules or 2 watts is too much power-------unless its spread evenly with a convex lens, be sure to wear goggles.
wavelength just determines how deep it will go. Those 600nm is good for skin and acne apparently
and infrared at most 904nm (808nm is best) is good for more serious tissue underneath.

So there you have it, whether you're with me or not on this, i hope people realize theres more to laser beams than amazon and dollar stores and diy intellectuals.


If somebody could build a laser with a convex lens, 808nm and 2 watts of average continuous power, that could take the market by storm. Especially alot of medical practitioners who bought these lasers, aka cold lasers for thousands. You could save people alot of money and make a great investment in return.
Im more of layman or journalist, i dont have the time or money to do this. If i had the time, i would learn to make one.



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Default Re: Anyone ever heard of LLLT or phototherapy?

You might need to take the time to learn how
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and that is the reason they cost 20k. Medical devices are held to different standards than regular consumer electronics.
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Household lamps are a cheaper, safer, and simpler source of IR.
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and that is the reason they cost 20k. Medical devices are held to different standards than regular consumer electronics.
well thats the thing here, they are grossly overpriced. Even if somebody made one to make the prices fair, they wouldnt have to advertise it like that anyway.
The FDA only passes these devices as heaters or massagers for muscle!
nothing more, nothing less.

Im not going to build one anytime soon because im in school and i barely have any time.


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Household lamps are a cheaper, safer, and simpler source of IR.
Thanks for the suggestion, i havent even looked into the leds.
the spread of light is less than 1 joule per cm2. Thats less than optimal and would require to hold the lamp up close.

They are still substantially cheaper.
http://www.amazon.com/LIGHT-INFRARED.../dp/B00BO6U66C
only thing is, LED light therapy can cover a much larger area as the light is non directional but only a portion of the light is coherent requiring longer treatment times. Lasers have a coherent and constant power ( if its continous vs pulsing), so its much faster to use. Funny how such a small difference creates a massive price margin!

One thing is that the lasers used by those doctors, have multiple diodes.

I think one thing im missing here though is frequency. I believe lower frequency would result in slower absorption of light? im not sure here, im guessing the lasers operate at a few hundred to a few thousand frequencies. I dunno, im done for the rest of the week, I dont have time for this.

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If somebody could build a laser with a convex lens, 808nm and 2 watts of average continuous power, that could take the market by storm.
It does not sound as a laser for the LLLT
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