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The Tarantula. {Now updated with The Horsehead}

Re: The Tarantula.

Thx RB, wow you got back quick:) I tend to skim over some posts to quick and assumed you were talking about your setup no being able to capture what Olympus had asked. How you can get some awesome images in your backyard it through me for a loop that we dont have the tech to get those moon pics. "Dont get me wrong your a pro". I will look into those sights thx again, and il will follow that forum as im sure im not the only noob?:thinking:
 





Re: The Tarantula.

Thx RB, wow you got back quick:) I tend to skim over some posts to quick and assumed you were talking about your setup no being able to capture what Olympus had asked. How you can get some awesome images in your backyard it through me for a loop that we dont have the tech to get those moon pics. "Dont get me wrong your a pro". I will look into those sights thx again, and il will follow that forum as im sure im not the only noob?:thinking:

All the best my friend and glad you liked the images and glad I could be of some help to you.

Happy Holidays.

RB
 
Re: The Tarantula.

Thanks everyone glad you liked it, really appreciate your feedback, I'll answer everyone's questions in one post.

The colours are real but they are slightly different to normal DSLR colour response because I used a combination of two cameras.
One was a normal DSLR, to pick up detail, the other was a same model DSLR but it was modified to have a higher wavelength response, not normally visible to the normal camera, enabling it to capture Hydrogen Alpha emission from this nebula, hence the beautiful hues you see here.
Our eyes don't see colour when we look through the telescope because of the tiny light levels astronomical objects emit.
Our Rods and Cones aren't sensitive enough to detect colour.
That's why a lot of people are disappointed when they look through a telescope because the advertisements show wonderful colour images like this on the box but they don't tell you that it's not what you'll see.

So to capture colour we need a very long exposure to enable the image to 'build up' on the image sensor.

This creates two problems:

One - the earth's rotation will cause the stars to 'streak' across the sensor instead of being pinpoints, so we use a electronic tracking mount to counteract the earth's rotation effectively keeping the stars stationary on the sensor for two hours.
Difficult to do so we also use a smaller scope to guide the mount, which is trained to 'follow' one single star as it shifts.
The guide scope keeps this guide star in it's crosshairs feeding info back into the computer for the mount to make tiny adjustments constantly, yielding a perfectly 'stationary' image on the camera sensor.

Two - The camera's sensor heats up quickly when exposing, analogous to the duty cycle of a laser, creating ugly 'noise' in the image which must be minimised.
To combat 'heat noise' we instead limit the exposures to under 10 minutes at a time, allowing the camera to cool down in between exposures and then combine all the exposures to create the equivalent of a two hour exposure.
Also, we take what's called 'a dark frame' for each corresponding exposure, equal to the length of that exposure but with the lens cap on.
This records the 'noise' pattern generated by the sensor for that particular exposure and ambient temperature which we then 'subtract' from the original exposure leaving a beautiful clean image.

The telescope I used for this was a beautiful 130mm aperture f/5.8 pictured below, notice my lovely 20mW, 532nm greenie that I use for aligning the scopes sitting on top.

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That's just as beautiful as the picture you took IMO!! I am EXTREMELY jealous of that set. If you don't mind me asking, whats the total wallet damage on the whole rig?
 
Just read through this amazing thread. Thanks for not only sharing the pic but explaining things. It boggles the mind that we can capture shots like this and yet not be able to get closer surface pics of the moon. Going to have to read that link. +4 if I can.
 
That's just as beautiful as the picture you took IMO!! I am EXTREMELY jealous of that set. If you don't mind me asking, whats the total wallet damage on the whole rig?
Thanks Crazy, you have an eye for quality, yes this scope and mount is top shelf equipment and the Mahogany timber legs just complete the mount I reckon.
Now don't get me wrong, you don't need a high end setup to take good images but I wanted to buy a good setup that lasts me a lifetime and you can't go wrong by buying quality to start with, it means I don't need to keep upgrading.
The price for something like this is around $10k.

Just read through this amazing thread. Thanks for not only sharing the pic but explaining things. It boggles the mind that we can capture shots like this and yet not be able to get closer surface pics of the moon. Going to have to read that link. +4 if I can.
You're so very welcome Pman, glad you enjoyed and thank you so much for the generous +rep, very much appreciated.
Kind Regards
RB
 
It boggles the mind that we can capture shots like this and yet not be able to get closer surface pics of the moon.

The moon is a long way away, and I have done the math before, but it does seem like we should be able to see more detail from say, the Hubble space telescope.

This is not mine but it is pretty.
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I know what you mean Red, but it's hard to comprehend the vast distances involved in Deep Space Imaging.
For example, my deep space images or even Hubble images, they look magnificent and pretty to look at but we can't comprehend that from edge to edge we may be looking at hundreds of Light Years in distance.
Now take that same telescope and train it on the moon which is only 384,400 kilometres/225,600 miles and you soon realise it doesn't have the ability to optically resolve the sort of detail needed to see detail a few metres in diameter.

Now below are my first attempts at lunar landscapes taken back in 2006 when I was first starting out in astro photography.
I used the same telescope but a much smaller camera, in fact it was a humble web cam.
I would like to try this sort of imaging again one day, it's just not my forte, but I enjoy in non the less.

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I guess taking images of the moon is also more difficult because you have no reference stars to keep a fix on it for longer exposures if required.

I love images like the one of the tarantula you managed to capture though. Then again i might be easily impressed as an urban dweller, i love the sight of our own galaxy when staying in remote (dark) locations. With the light pollution here i never get to see even that from my own house ;)
 
I guess taking images of the moon is also more difficult because you have no reference stars to keep a fix on it for longer exposures if required.

I love images like the one of the tarantula you managed to capture though. ;)

Hey Ben,
Thanks glad you like it.
Actually, when imaging the moon, we don't use that technique that you're talking about, called guiding (on a star). That's only used for deep space imaging in long exposure photography.

When imaging the moon, we only use 'lunar rate' tracking on the mount which is more than enough.
If we're taking a single shot, the camera will take a very quick exposure since the moon is so bright.
If, like the examples I posted here, we use a web cam, we actually use video frame rates.
This means we use a web cam to take a short video, then we take each frame of the video, say a few thousand, and stack only the best thousand or so, one on top of another.
This eliminates any atmospheric disturbance and gives us a much cleaner, more detailed image while also allowing us to be much more zoomed in than a DSLR since the web cam has a tiny sensor.

Hope that makes sense, I know I am getting a bit technical but that's actually what we do to get better images.

Anyway glad everyone enjoyed the journey and Happy Holidays everyone.

RB
 
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