Spaghetti Dead

I thought this deserved a topic so everyone could see it as not everyone is following the SC DAC thread...

Gary has retired Spaghetti and will no longer be selling it or supporting it for reasons unknown.

He will not be opening the source or giving it away as freeware and will only conciser selling all rights for 15k.

Retiring from Spaghetti

"Some idiot from LPF" I think we all know who that is.

ARGLaser said:

Retiring from Spaghetti

"Some idiot from LPF" I think we all know who that is.

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Oh whatever, he was just looking for an excuse to do what he has wanted to do for a while. It got too big for him, he couldn't keep up with the support that people deserved when they paid him for working software.

ARGLaser said:

Retiring from Spaghetti

"Some idiot from LPF" I think we all know who that is.

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Who? I hope it wasn't me!

Replying to people from the other thread:

kiyoukan said:

LSX its from the The good doctor.
And let me say i have seen what it can do.
I think given a bit more time and a bit more user friendly it will rival Pangolin.
LaserShow Xpress Laser Show Software
its around 130$ but you also get ild sos the frame optimizer.
if you bought ildsos you can get 30$ off LSX according to the DR.

* Full-featured frame creation and frame animation tools (plus ILD SOS included)
* Ect...

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Unfortunately, my business with DR Lava has always been awful. I sent him multiple PM's asking for the LSX demo, so I could compare it to QS/Spaghetti, and he has never responded. Gary has always been helpful and responsive when dealing with customers.
DR Lava is un-reliable, it seems he doesn't care about the products he has to offer anymore. There have been numerous threads about communication issues with him. Therefore, I refuse to consider LSX as a viable option.
I also bought a RIYA DAC from him, and his responses were slow, and didn't answer my questions.
(Also he wants 35$ for shipping to Canada on his products, which is ridiculous.)

That is my opinion. The only two viable options for me were Spaghetti and QS, and for me spaghetti suites my needs.

I am upset that he is discontinuing Spaghetti but I understand why he doesn't want to continue on. Best of luck to you Gary. :beer:

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Guyfromhe said:

Who? I hope it wasn't me!

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Nope, wasn't referring to you. I don't want to start anything, so I wont name any people.

There's no one to blame here but Gary. As the purveyor of his goods it's up to him to provide support and to be able to deal with difficult customers without faulting them, penalizing them, or going to another forum to call them names. Spaghetti is his product, so he can do what he wants with it, but if he chooses to penalize the community as a whole he has no recourse when people call him out for abandoning them. There are other options available to the hobbyist besides Spaghetti.

I so very much wish that the so-called "leaders and innovators" on the laser show side of things were more agreeable, but for them it's always been about dictating the terms of what they feel the rest of the hobbyist community should do, act, behave, etc. as if they are somehow in charge of the laser world. Many people who have gone to PL from LPF to participate in that community have found out firsthand just how things work with them. A few have fit right in, but many have been run off in relatively vile, tactless displays of childish bullying. Very sad that the "professionals" very often have no professionalism.

ARGLaser said:

Replying to people from the other thread:



Unfortunately, my business with DR Lava has always been awful. I sent him multiple PM's asking for the LSX demo, so I could compare it to QS/Spaghetti, and he has never responded. Gary has always been helpful and responsive when dealing with customers.
DR Lava is un-reliable, it seems he doesn't care about the products he has to offer anymore. There have been numerous threads about communication issues with him. Therefore, I refuse to consider LSX as a viable option.
I also bought a RIYA DAC from him, and his responses were slow, and didn't answer my questions.
(Also he wants 35$ for shipping to Canada on his products, which is ridiculous.)

That is my opinion. The only two viable options for me were Spaghetti and QS, and for me spaghetti suites my needs.

I am upset that he is discontinuing Spaghetti but I understand why he doesn't want to continue on. Best of luck to you Gary. :beer:

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Nope, wasn't referring to you. I don't want to start anything, so I wont name any people.

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Oh DrLava is responsible for LSX? I bought ILDSOS from him and it took like a week to get my key...

Yes $35 is retarded for shipping to Canada... I don't know why the American's hate us so much. I would probably get it reshipped by a friend for cheaper than $35 if I bought...

I am not sure who pissed in his cornflakes but that sure is a piss-poor excuse to stop offering a product and specially to stop supporting your paid customers. This seems kind of childish.

Up until this point I had almost nothing but good things to say about Gary and his software.. I mean it wasn't perfect and had room to grow and had it's bugs but for the price it was decent....

Guyfromhe said:

Oh DrLava is responsible for LSX? I bought ILDSOS from him and it took like a week to get my key...

Yes $35 is retarded for shipping to Canada... I don't know why the American's hate us so much. I would probably get it reshipped by a friend for cheaper than $35 if I bought...

I am not sure who pissed in his cornflakes but that sure is a piss-poor excuse to stop offering a product and specially to stop supporting your paid customers. This seems kind of childish.

Up until this point I had almost nothing but good things to say about Gary and his software.. I mean it wasn't perfect and had room to grow and had it's bugs but for the price it was decent....

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ElektroFreak said:

There's no one to blame here but Gary. As the purveyor of his goods it's up to him to provide support and to be able to deal with difficult customers without faulting them, penalizing them, or going to another forum to call them names. Spaghetti is his product, so he can do what he wants with it, but if he chooses to penalize the community as a whole he has no recourse when people call him out for abandoning them. There are other options available to the hobbyist besides Spaghetti.

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True enough, it is a very poor excuse to discontinue software. Abandoning his product has only created more problems.

On another note, with the absence of Spaghetti, I will attempt to make my own Freeware that will rival Spaghetti. Hopefully this will fill the gap Spaghetti is going to leave.

ARGLaser said:

True enough, it is a very poor excuse to discontinue software.

On another note, with the absence of Spaghetti, I will attempt to make my own Freeware that will rival Spaghetti. Hopefully this will fill the gap Spaghetti is going to leave.

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It's a pain under Windows... My friend wrote an ILDA player under a Linux VM in like 3 hours...

He wrote a java front end that runs on windows and sends ILDA frames to the server running under Linux....

Anyway if you start a project let me know maybe I can help.

Guyfromhe said:

It's a pain under Windows... My friend wrote an ILDA player under a Linux VM in like 3 hours...

He wrote a java front end that runs on windows and sends ILDA frames to the server running under Linux....

Anyway if you start a project let me know maybe I can help.

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Alright, i'll be starting next weekend, as i'm pretty busy this week. I'll let you know.

I'll send an EMail off to RIYA this week to get their API, the SC DAC compatibly shouldn't be hard.

ARGLaser said:

Alright, i'll be starting next weekend, as i'm pretty busy this week. I'll let you know. I'll send an EMail off to RIYA to get their API, the SC DAC compatibly shouldn't be hard.

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Coo. That'll show all those suckers if there's a decent free program out there.

Do you know that the code on the machine can be changed right?
But thats a whole different topic there.
That will not be talked about openly.

carmangary said:

Well, I am a bit tired of nonsense so I am retiring Spaghetti. It will no longer be sold or supported.

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I guess Gary got pissed because someone suggested a "hack" to change the GUID (Globally Unique Identifier) on their computer to run Spaghetti using someone else's license without paying for it. I am sure he had other reasons as well, he must get a ton of support requests from people needing help to install it. I know that when first got my copy it would not run properly and he was kind enough to help me out...

paulzimm said:

Do you know that the code on the machine can be changed right?
But thats a whole different topic there.
That will not be talked about openly.



I guess Gary got pissed because someone suggested a "hack" to change the GUID (Globally Unique Identifier) on their computer to run Spaghetti using someone else's license without paying for it. I am sure he had other reasons as well, he must get a ton of support requests from people needing help to install it. I know that when first got my copy it would not run properly and he was kind enough to help me out...

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I can't imagine someone suggesting it's possible to hack his software being the reason that he stops selling it.. If he honestly thinks his software is hack proof he's living in a fantasy world... Microsoft, Sony, and all the other big players spend MILLIONS on copyright protection alone and they all have had their software compromised. No one even suggested anything specific in that post...


He also tried to help me out though I ended up figuring it out on my own... I don't really conciser someone who just charged me ~$100 for a software license overly kind just because they support the software I just bought though...

I mean I offer support to random Spaghetti customers if I see their posts on the forums and I don't get a cent for it...

Pretty sure the things I said was the straw that broke the camels back. But the paid software was going down the crapper fast with a growing demand and lack of support and time to answer tedious unwanted questions.

The simple answer. He probably makes more money doing less stressful things and doesn't need the burden any longer. Plus its probably daunting seeing other competitive softwares out there so far ahead of spaghetti.

whatsupadrian said:

Pretty sure the things I said was the straw that broke the camels back. But the paid software was going down the crapper fast with a growing demand and lack of support and time to answer tedious unwanted questions.

The simple answer. He probably makes more money doing less stressful things and doesn't need the burden any longer. Plus its probably daunting seeing other competitive softwares out there so far ahead of spaghetti.

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So why not just do his own thing, release what he uses himself as freeware, make a BIG popup at start-up that says NO SUPPORT and ignore support requests?

Then everyone would be happy.
If he wants to make money he has to provide support..He doesn't have to screw the community (and more importantly his paying customers) though.

EDIT: even just accept donations from those who find it useful... I would give him something just because it's good software...

Jeez I take an (unplanned) laser vacation from lasers for a couple weeks and come back to this? Great.