Hi everybody,

I wanna buy a RGB animation laser show from a manufacter from China, but I am with a doubt who choose. Anyone has some experience, bad or good, with these below ?

staraylaser.com
rekelaser.com
lanlingtech.com
sparklaser.com
kololaser.com
ledlon.com
aptlighting.net
3651light.com

Which ones is the best in your opinion (quality / price) ?
Thanks
Marcel

better help can come if we know both your budget and location-
search Reke here to see many posts, there are also sources you omitted.

GL

Hi Hakzaw1, Im from Brazil and I want a 5W RGB animation laser. I research in ebay and alibaba and discovered that:
- laserworld sells 6W for 15998,00 € (Wow)
- china supplier sells 5W for about 3000 USD

Of course, china products have a lower quality. But analysing cost/benefits there are very higher. So the question is which one has a better:
- product quality: eg. dont broke easly
- realible: if you pay and the product will arrives
- support: for change the product in warranty time, shipp broken parts

Thanks
Marcel

cool-- you need to conact winni at goldenstar-(She is also at Facebook) she has a super deal going on right now on 5W rgb.

there is a thread at the lasershow forum PeeLee.

lowest prices ever...

ps
it would be best for you to add your location in your profile..

good luck..

why not choose us?
Ningbo Lasever Inc is specialized in manufacturing laser modules for laser show.
We accept small orders and T/T payment(paypal is also accepted)

Pls note my email: sales2@lasever.com
Any question, I would like to help

Do you have goldenstar email? in her facebook dont has an option to add or send email to her.
Thanks
Marcel

You should email all the companies and see what they can offer you before choosing. Some will be more accommodating than others.

I will second goldenstar winni. Her price for a 1W green module (just the laser itself) is $535. Cheapest I could find on fleabay is $835 from a reputable seller (meierlight.china). The ebay one is a DHOM (great brand, know for being WAY overspec), yet winni sells the CNI model, which is also a well respected brand.

Winni's website is goldenstarlaser.com - take a look there and you can see the prices of their projectors in USD, plus all the specs. They even include beam diameters and divergence ratios in these specs, something not common with the chijector companies.

remember to read the descriptions, as some of the cheaper deals there may look great, but then further down you find "TTL Modulation" gah yuck. Of course for a few additional bucks you can probably get winni to upgrade the laser heads to analogue, and while you're at it ask for (and pay for) 3d optical mounts to be installed. You're hair will thank you (as you wont be ripping it out trying to adjust fixed mounts if the thing goes out of alignment).

Winni is a great communicator, and takes paypal (you pay the fees) as well as TT transfer. I bought my projector case from her, and plan in the next few weeks to buy some lasers

Oh that is a nice price on those 3D dichro mounts ($25) from Goldenstar. Might be less in direct contact with the seller.

pros-- buying from REKELASER low price - 2 yr warranty(no personal idea how good)

cons.. very expensive shipping ( but fast and very safe)

From Lasersman(cherrylee) higher price but lower shipping- and only one year warranty- so far OK warranty help with problems (inherent with all cheaper Chijectors) LM tends to give out $$ off coupons and let the buyer do repairs-- save a lot of shipping and time.

What to avoid-- if you dont see ILDA move on-- dmx is not all that great compaered to lasershow soft like LSX and QS,
avoid Ishow.
you missed the best deal over the winter hoildays- $209 for ospec 500 RGB ilda Reke-DELIVERED- ( now back up to ~$300)

there may be a GB on these-- PM me if intrested.

hak

QS/ reke500rgb ilda PJs (3)
reke 100mW Green ilda PJ ( all TTL)
working on DIY 2.5W RGB full color

? want QS PM me!!


While analog is better than TTL ( thousands of colors vs 7) -- TTL is good to learn soft on and a lot of fun..

There is nothing wrong with TTL. You are just limited to 7 colours plus white. I don't know why the manufacturers still offer it when analogue is only a few $ more though.

TTL in my first two projectors impressed me, and most of the club lasers around here are also cheaper TTL models. I wont comment on where one of the bigger clubs has theirs aimed, least to say I bet they dont have a pango PASS system on it!

I saw an analogue show at one club. The many different hues won me over so my pj is going to be an analogue unit.

My "main' PJ will be analog-

btw

'There is nothing wrong with TTL. You are just limited to 7 colours plus white. I don't know why the manufacturers still offer it when analogue is only a few $ more though.'

the seven colors includes 'white' not plus white-- but you knew that. Your Tiapan is awesome!!

lol
hk

he still needs some fangs tho - lasers. We'll get there eventually. Need to buy some bits from Dave (LSP) and Stanwax first (basically optics mounts, a dichro and an ILDA Gem board)

edit: oh and a quick show from you - thats next as soon as I have saved the money.

Well, it is a bit easier to just offer TTL especially since you don't need decent modulation abilities on the green laser, nor to actually provide a driver that can do scaled dimming versus just shutting things off for the others. As far as I can tell, the TTL drivers are step-down drivers fixed to set current values, whereas most analog modulation is based on using a MOSFET as a current regulating device--which would actually need to shunt the current for modulating like is done in LED modulation. They'd need to provide different power supplies to do this, with higher current ratings than they use now (they use the same +/- 15VDC drivers and step it down to whatever voltage is needed).

Then assume they did all that, people would need a DAC that does decent analog graphics, those signals would need to be offset and scaled properly with a correction circuit for the drivers (versus using TTL and its digital voltage thresholds), analog "auto" graphics would need to be provided (otherwise who would even know it's analog without owning an ILDA-based DAC?), and tune all the colors for modulation inconsistencies, etc. (which vary in intensity already as a function of scan speed of certain patterns). All of this would be for some crappy $300 projector that will probably be bought by some goon for his party rather than a real enthusiast. If people really want that, they can buy the higher end models Reke sells.

Some sellers list their projectors with 7 colour inbuilt shows, many more shades can be generated by connecting the projector to a computer. (when referring to their analog models).

Analog models will still work as effectivly with a TTL signal as a TTL only model will. The tricky part comes when an ilda cable is plugged in. The better models sense the connection of the dac, and switch off the inbuilt show, as well as routing the modulation input to bypass the show card, so the card doesnt turn the analog singal into a TTL one. They also power down the lasers until the interlock chain is complete.

The cheaper ones you have to push a switch, and that switches the unit into ILDA mode, and turns off the showcard at the same time. When you want the inbuilt show again, you need to press another switch, which powers the show card back on, etc. The better of the cheapie dont power the lasers in this mode until the interlock chain is complete.

The really cheap and nasty ones can beam when this switching is done because they dont rely on the interlock signal, so if there is no ILDA cable present (or even one present with no dac) when they are switched, the modulation lines are now floating, and the lasers are still live.

Thanks BB and V2K for those two posts-- but can you tell me if all that is going to be on the test??...lol.....j/k-- I got most of it,,,,, two good posts-- l saw a eekbay labby listing that said anlog AND TTL too..
AFAIK there is no analog that is NOT also TTL-- duh!

Hi,

Have been an occasional (sometimes regular) reader of this forum, since the days when 100mw 532nm WL Nexus was considered a lightsaber! Also a lurker at PL.


Was in a similar position to you around 4-5 years ago, after extensive research and time, a manufacturer was located which cost more than the usual Chinese lasers, for a reason. They exceed output power and quality with over spec, tailor made CNI lasers; a single, high specification laser head per colour. One 5W RGB laser configuration is rated 5.2-5.5W, the other 5.2-5.6W. They have DT40pro scanners, quality, adjustable dichros and 97-99% mirrors (depending on laser colour). Featuring 2-4mm >1.2mrad beams depending on laser head options, 30khz analogue standard. Tough 4mm aluminium casing with handle for rigging, with a sealed optical train, mounted on a super thick beam table/base plate. Connectors are fully locking, including neutrik power connector, locking in/out RJ45 and DB25 for ilda, DB9 for remote safety switch, safety key, x/y toggles. Plus Pangolin QS and a solid road case. In addition they are authentically FDA varianced projectors, which is uncommon for China.


The leader in lasershow hardware/software control used the same projectors for their show at Palm Beijing this year. For me this confirmed the choice in distribution I made many years ago.

1% of retail price will be donated to LPF if you purchase a projector.
Price wise it will be 20-30% less than laserworld retail, shipped, including pangolin+flightcase+cables, with the most expensive laser heads installed, or over 50% less, with more cost effective laser head configuration. One year warranty or two for 10% more.
If you are interested in obtaining one and safely operating it, I'd be glad to assist.

Warning: laser porn ahead . At the bottom of the post are some shots of a 2W 532nm unit that landed recently, slightly smaller case than the 5w RGB but very similar layout. Variance and serial number have been intentionally blanked for display purposes. Variance issued in early 2010 without issue since. I will be installing my own shutter system on this particular case. 4W+ case comes with a shutter (white background photos). Enjoy



As for other manufacturers,

You mentioned a 5w TTL starray laser on another thread, almost everything pro level nowadays is analogue - more colours, graphics, more control and safer.

Very cheap starlaser/falling stars/big dipper clones in R,G,RGY, RGV etc, you get what you pay for. Parkinsons scanners and bic lighter runtime usually. Don't seem very reliable, many dead ones in club scrapheaps alongside cheap antari foggers..

Laserworld, subject to many disastrous reviews in the past, some poor service and build quality for the sub 4w range that is most commonly seen. That said, there have been one or two reviews recently with positive power output measurements and good to acceptable quality from trusted members. Also ensure that the 5w they sell isn't 'peak 5W nominal 3.1W' that they often do.

Reke: one owner I know has complained of higher diode failure rates. Again, you get what you pay for. Try to get an ilda compatible model, some of their larger models seem to have acceptable scanners, just most have been TTL that I've seen. Good build for price paid if an ilda compatible model.

AT laser seems to have better case build quality than Reke, I have not seen much of the insides of these lasers. Seem more pro level.

Seen plenty of smaller units, nothing of note though really. My choice if I wanted a cheap RGB for private use: reke. Bang for buck and reasonably well built for the price.

Morale of the story is this: if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Professional grade lasers are not cheap and never have been.

From what I've heard NRG is best for high/mid end lasers: Home page | laser light show projector | Laser Know How
Never underspec, great build quality.

I've had good experiences with Meierlight and Laserking for lower-end lasers.
Especially Meierlight has good power ratings, usually on-spec IME.

This is my first post ever . Not allowed to start a new thread, but this is the closest related thread I could find.

I am looking to buy an entry level RGB laser scanner with an auto-mode sound-active function. I've started looking on ebay which brought me to a few "cheap china" companies and ultimately to the Casa CTL-BM: dj laser,stage equipment,disco light

This would be used in medium to small sized club venues with a fog machine (I am a DJ :>). I'm by no means a "laserphile" and probably can't appreciate subtle benefits of high quality parts, but I don't want to have to frequently replace or service any laser-scanner I might buy.

I doubt I would ever use any DMX or ILDA programs, and probably would just stick with the auto-mode, but if its inexpensive to include then why not.

Anyone have any advice? Or can point me in the direction of a good company or someone who would be willing to custom build?

Note: I live in the UNITED STATES, 14580.

Thanks in advance

Then that CASA is not for you as it would be illegal to operate in the US as it does not have an Accession number. You need both this and a variance to operate a laser display at any public event. Sure its fine if your just doing it at a friends party, but if you are making a profit using it, and the FDA drops by to check you out, you could get into very hot water.

People get non-compliant lasers into the states all the time. Thats fine - using them at home with a cheap fogger to spice up a house party or to enjoy on your own is also fun. Using them in a club environment, where they arent sporting all the saftey bits, is a big no no.

My suggestion is the NRG series of projectors. They're cleared by the FDA and then all you'll need is a variance.

Also the sound active junk will get really boring, really quickly. Its amazing how quickly you can go "oh theres that yellow spinning triangle again, ooohhh and the silly elephant... wheres my DAC!"

Aaah, Well I guess my case is a little complicated. I don't actually own my own club (yet) but I usually bring my own sound and lights to parties/bars. I've only recently started actually getting paid gigs, but I haven't gone official or declared a business yet. I guess that means I'd get into even bigger trouble sporting an uncertified laser to gigs in an unofficial capacity.

But still, it would be fun to have for parties where I am not getting paid or anything, or safely under the table.

Also, I definitely don't want cartoon animations of any kind, like I would pay to NOT have them. I think they are kindof cheesy haha. But general 3D shapes and effects, scan patterns and the "clouding" are all really cool.

If not having the auto-mode requires any moderate amount of attention then that would be troublesome for me, as I would already be spinning music and controlling 4 RGB DMX wash/strobe lights.

The question of reliably acquiring a laser or a builder still stands.

yep but still illegal - the premises is still accepting payment for something (door charge, drinks), and that music and lights is included. You would still be in violation of the FDA rules. The US has some really strange (and strict) rules when it comes to laser projectors in a commercial environment. So the club gets fined, and guess who they'll look to to recoup the fine.

As for cheesy elephants, santa's and dancing people, MOST projectors can be set to "auto graphic", "auto beam" and "auto mix". Its the auto beam mode you'd want, selected by setting the dip switches on the back. Another sets "cycle" or "sound".

Cheers
Ben

Yea I figured, thanks for the heads up I will definitely get a variance before bringing the laser to any paid gigs.

I am seeing about $650-$1200 for boxes here: RGB laser lighting | NRG laser | laser know how

I understand the 20k-40k is a measure of scanning rate, which appears as how "smooth" the lasers seem to scan correct?

TTL implies 7 colors rather than full analog spectrum, but its supposedly not that much more $ to upgrade..?

I'm not sure what the DT stands for in "DT40k"

Still taking recommendations! haha

Hi all

I have been started this thread and now I can give a feedback. I bought laser show from Lanling, Staray and Reke. All companies shipps the goods and the laser beam is strong. I bought the 1W and 5W RGB and I have nice results. The scanner isnt so good, but you can put a better scanner if you pay more $200. About GoldenStar has the best price and features. The 5W RGB laser has a DT40k scanner and is ANG (analog system). It will be my next try. Also I recommend the 2W Green laser (2*1W) that is a special price.

My opinion is the chinese laser show is enough to enjoy pleople that dont know about laser show, it will produce the efects and animations in the parties. With a clinical eye you will see graphics and messages are with a litle (or much) distorted or pulsing (lower scan rate the image is better but fps is lower), but in a electronic party for example, everyone are a litle "crazy", so it isnt problem, perhaps the people will like the distortion and pulsing. For Marketing Laser for Enterprise is different. Anyway for me its a way to turn laser show green and RGB more popular in my country. I live in a city with 2 million people in the middle of Brazil and never have seen colorfull laser effects. For US marketing, you can buy about 10 laser shows with price one laserworld equipament. Quantity and diversity will be more impressive than 1 (for example 6W RGB from laserword is 15.000 euros against $2000 of goldenstar). I recommend buy 2W green ($1200), 4W blue ($1000) and 5W RGB ($2000). You can produce mensagens or animations with one and effects with other. This is a trick to provide a good fps, because divides the work with two scanners, and you will full better the ambient.

My actual project is buy about 50 dpss 200mw Green ($60) and combine in a single beam with 10W power. The reason for that is high end lasers, when the power double the price is 4 times higher, so the dpss 200w has the better cost/power relation. A 10W Green is about $20.000 even in China, but join the 200w dpss will cost about $3000 plus scanner. The problem here is how combine the beam, I research spliters, mirrors, etc but I couldnt find a thing to combine so many beams. Any suggestion will be appreciated.

Thanks, Marcel

PS: I wouldn't want be in the skin of US laser shows manufacturers right now. Its impossible compete with China.

I believe DT is Dragon Tiger brand name. I just got an H-RGB1200-DT30 from Winni @ Goldenstarlaser.com - I am pretty happy with it so far.

I am very new to this side of the hobby so I am not a very experienced judge, but I am pretty amazed with Winni and Goldenstar so far... The only thing I would suggest is that you push Winni for options and ask lots of questions here and on other, more projector oriented, forums.

If I had it to do again, I would have invested in adjustable dichro mounts for instance, but when I ordered my unit I wasn't aware that it might be a VERY good idea and probably wouldn't have cost much to add.

Also, don't forget to order an ILDA cable. I don't think they charge much at all if you order it with the laser. If you don't, it doesn't cost much ($10-$20) to get a DB25 cable from cables 2 go off of amazon.

Hak is a very good resource, and there are lots of others here as well. If you want a great deal on Pangolin's Quick Show and FB3 DAC, Hak can do that for you and trust me, QS is worth every last penny! It is amazing and easy to use.

It is fairly confusing when getting started, and you can definitely waste money on the wrong things, but I have been pretty pleased with my combo. It is a pretty nice setup right out of the box! I'm already scanning logos and editing them in QS and projecting them spinning around on all axes!