Laser pointer discussion. Read/write reviews of laser pointers and laser pointer companies. Learn about all types of laser pointers and lasers





One laser store meets all your needs

Go Back   Laser Pointer Forums - Discuss Laser Pointers > Lasers > Laser Shows





Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 11-14-2016, 04:04 AM #1
Crazlaser's Avatar
Class 2M Laser
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 811
Rep Power: 10624
Crazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond repute
Crazlaser Crazlaser is offline
Class 2M Laser
Crazlaser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 811
Rep Power: 10624
Crazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond repute
Default cheap projector

Hi guys

Recently after the release of the wicked lasers projector gizmo, I've become slightly interested in purchasing an inexpensive projector myself. I have absolutely no knowledge of these and am wondering if something like the following is enough to impress myself while playing music. Can I create the patterns or are they random?
R&G Super Mini Projector DJ Disco LED Light Stage Party Laser Lighting Show Plug | eBay


__________________
Welcome

My lasers
Sanwu 405nm 250mw Sanwu Pocket Series
445nm 1+ watt china generic laser (broken host)
445nm 2.9 watt Sanwu Silver Series
450nm 3mw LP450-1B
532nm 50mw laserbtb
532nm 301
532nm 70mw Pman
532nm 92mw Pman
635nm 800mw Sanwu Challenger multimode
Laserbtb 980nm 800mw
Eagle Pair goggles 190-540nm & 800-2000nm OD4
Crazlaser's Collection
Crazlaser is offline   Reply With Quote


















Old 11-15-2016, 06:28 AM #2
Cyparagon's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 9,178
Rep Power: 18454
Cyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond repute
Cyparagon Cyparagon is online now
Class 4 Laser
Cyparagon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 9,178
Rep Power: 18454
Cyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond reputeCyparagon has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: cheap projector

The one you've linked is moving dots. Nothing else. If you want to make your own images, you need to spend a lot more. What's your budget?
__________________
A problem well stated is a problem half solved.
Cyparagon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2016, 11:24 AM #3
Crazlaser's Avatar
Class 2M Laser
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 811
Rep Power: 10624
Crazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond repute
Crazlaser Crazlaser is offline
Class 2M Laser
Crazlaser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 811
Rep Power: 10624
Crazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: cheap projector

Honesty there are other lasers I'd probably choose over a more expensive projector. I have about $475 budged till next August for hobby stuff so I'm not gonna throw it all away here. Good to know it's just moving dots so I don't buy it. Thanks Cyp
__________________
Welcome

My lasers
Sanwu 405nm 250mw Sanwu Pocket Series
445nm 1+ watt china generic laser (broken host)
445nm 2.9 watt Sanwu Silver Series
450nm 3mw LP450-1B
532nm 50mw laserbtb
532nm 301
532nm 70mw Pman
532nm 92mw Pman
635nm 800mw Sanwu Challenger multimode
Laserbtb 980nm 800mw
Eagle Pair goggles 190-540nm & 800-2000nm OD4
Crazlaser's Collection

Last edited by Crazlaser; 11-15-2016 at 11:34 AM.
Crazlaser is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-15-2016, 02:52 PM #4
diachi's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Yellowknife, NT, Canada
Posts: 8,455
Rep Power: 85122
diachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Skype™ to diachi
diachi diachi is online now
Class 4 Laser
diachi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Yellowknife, NT, Canada
Posts: 8,455
Rep Power: 85122
diachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Skype™ to diachi
Default Re: cheap projector

Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazlaser View Post
Honesty there are other lasers I'd probably choose over a more expensive projector. I have about $475 budged till next August for hobby stuff so I'm not gonna throw it all away here. Good to know it's just moving dots so I don't buy it. Thanks Cyp

You could build your own, although by this point it's probably cheaper just to buy one direct from China already built...

$475 isn't going to buy you much though, that'll get you an entry level projector without a controller. Can always do a DIY sound card controller but that limits your options.
__________________


405nm | Banggood LT-850 | "5mW" | Review Unit | Review WIP
445nm | Sanwu Laser Pocket Series | 400mW Metered
445nm | NDB7242E Pen Build | 60mW Metered | >>Build Thread<<
450nm | LaserPointerStore - Thor H2 | 1W(?) | Review Unit | >>Review<<
473nm | B&W Tek BWB-10-OEM |
488nm | Spectra Physics 163 Argon | ~30mW Metered
515nm | PL515 Pen Build | 50mW Metered | >>Build Thread<<
520nm | Laserlands 520 | 5mW | Review Unit | 3mW metered | >>Review<<
532nm | Gearbest 303 Pointer | 50mW Metered
532nm | Gearbest JD-850 Pointer | 30mW Metered (I think, need to re-test).
633nm | HeNe | 6mW
633nm | Spectra Physics 155 HeNe | <1mW >>Thread<<
650nm | Sanwu Laser Pocket Series | 200mW Metered
808nm | Melles Griot 532nm Lab Unit | No Crystals >10W | X2


B&W Tek Spectrometer
LaserBee 2.5W USB LPM


Check out my Reddit Subreddit! >>/r/laserpointers<<

diachi is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2016, 09:24 AM #5
Grix's Avatar
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Norway
Posts: 2,202
Rep Power: 5945
Grix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond repute
Grix Grix is offline
Class 3R Laser
Grix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Norway
Posts: 2,202
Rep Power: 5945
Grix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: cheap projector

The Laserdock is very good value, but it may be a little bit limited if you want to upgrade in the future due to the built in DAC and no ILDA port. But if you only have $475 it might be the best choice.

If you don't want to go that route, aliexpress lists a lot of cheap projectors. You want one with an ILDA input, and preferably analog color modulation (means the colors can vary their intensity instead of just turn on/off). Here's a good search query:

https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...=n&groupsort=1

The build quality of those bottom-of-the-barrel projectors are bad, you get what you pay for. You will need a DAC in addition, I will be shameless and plug my own product, the Helios: Helios Laser DAC - Projects
It is the cheapest DAC around I believe. It currently supports my own laser show editor, LasershowGen, which is also very cheap, but other software like Spaghe*ti, LSX and Maxwell will add support too, soon.
__________________
LasershowGen: Freemium laser show editor: http://pages.bitlasers.com/lasershowgen/
2nd place in ILDA Fenning Awards 2015

Helios - Open source, low cost Laser Projector DAC:
http://pages.bitlasers.com/helios/

Last edited by Grix; 11-16-2016 at 09:24 AM.
Grix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2016, 02:56 PM #6
diachi's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Yellowknife, NT, Canada
Posts: 8,455
Rep Power: 85122
diachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Skype™ to diachi
diachi diachi is online now
Class 4 Laser
diachi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Yellowknife, NT, Canada
Posts: 8,455
Rep Power: 85122
diachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Skype™ to diachi
Default Re: cheap projector

Quote:
Originally Posted by Grix View Post
The Laserdock is very good value, but it may be a little bit limited if you want to upgrade in the future due to the built in DAC and no ILDA port. But if you only have $475 it might be the best choice.

If you don't want to go that route, aliexpress lists a lot of cheap projectors. You want one with an ILDA input, and preferably analog color modulation (means the colors can vary their intensity instead of just turn on/off). Here's a good search query:

https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale...=n&groupsort=1

The build quality of those bottom-of-the-barrel projectors are bad, you get what you pay for. You will need a DAC in addition, I will be shameless and plug my own product, the Helios: Helios Laser DAC - Projects
It is the cheapest DAC around I believe. It currently supports my own laser show editor, LasershowGen, which is also very cheap, but other software like Spaghe*ti, LSX and Maxwell will add support too, soon.
Ooooh I forgot about that DAC! That makes doing a low end projector for that sort of budget possible, especially when there's compatibility for more software. That said, I wouldn't believe all the specs on those cheap China projectors - especially not scan rate, I'd be surprised if any of them could manage any sort of remotely complex graphics well.

Didn't suggest the LaserDock because there's no ILDA.
__________________


405nm | Banggood LT-850 | "5mW" | Review Unit | Review WIP
445nm | Sanwu Laser Pocket Series | 400mW Metered
445nm | NDB7242E Pen Build | 60mW Metered | >>Build Thread<<
450nm | LaserPointerStore - Thor H2 | 1W(?) | Review Unit | >>Review<<
473nm | B&W Tek BWB-10-OEM |
488nm | Spectra Physics 163 Argon | ~30mW Metered
515nm | PL515 Pen Build | 50mW Metered | >>Build Thread<<
520nm | Laserlands 520 | 5mW | Review Unit | 3mW metered | >>Review<<
532nm | Gearbest 303 Pointer | 50mW Metered
532nm | Gearbest JD-850 Pointer | 30mW Metered (I think, need to re-test).
633nm | HeNe | 6mW
633nm | Spectra Physics 155 HeNe | <1mW >>Thread<<
650nm | Sanwu Laser Pocket Series | 200mW Metered
808nm | Melles Griot 532nm Lab Unit | No Crystals >10W | X2


B&W Tek Spectrometer
LaserBee 2.5W USB LPM


Check out my Reddit Subreddit! >>/r/laserpointers<<

diachi is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2016, 03:42 PM #7
Grix's Avatar
Class 3R Laser
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Norway
Posts: 2,202
Rep Power: 5945
Grix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond repute
Grix Grix is offline
Class 3R Laser
Grix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Norway
Posts: 2,202
Rep Power: 5945
Grix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond reputeGrix has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: cheap projector

Quote:
Originally Posted by diachi View Post
Ooooh I forgot about that DAC! That makes doing a low end projector for that sort of budget possible, especially when there's compatibility for more software. That said, I wouldn't believe all the specs on those cheap China projectors - especially not scan rate, I'd be surprised if any of them could manage any sort of remotely complex graphics well.

Didn't suggest the LaserDock because there's no ILDA.
Yeah indeed most of those projectors have underspec lasers and scanners equivalent to like 12 kpps. But for a cheap starter system they are okay I think. I actually have this one personally: Emma EM-RGB234, it's okay, it handles beamshows and simple graphics just fine, and the lasers are strong enough to be impressive with enough smoke. Only problem is that the green module actually failed after about 5 hours of operation, but luckily the company was honest enough to send me a replacement. Also the large size and fan noise can be a bit annoying, but there are some newer cases that are smaller and almost fanless, like the Laserdock, or this one which seems to use the same case but with an ILDA port instead: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1wRG...731307771.html
__________________
LasershowGen: Freemium laser show editor: http://pages.bitlasers.com/lasershowgen/
2nd place in ILDA Fenning Awards 2015

Helios - Open source, low cost Laser Projector DAC:
http://pages.bitlasers.com/helios/

Last edited by Grix; 11-16-2016 at 03:44 PM.
Grix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-16-2016, 11:24 PM #8
94Z28's Avatar
9428nm Laser
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 521
Rep Power: 5934
94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute
94Z28 94Z28 is offline
9428nm Laser
94Z28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: North Carolina, USA
Posts: 521
Rep Power: 5934
94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute94Z28 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: cheap projector

I'm interested in some PJ also because I have to wave my lasers around to make a show or use some filters for stars..

Thanks for heads up, bUT where's best supply to make a PJ from parts and use your DAC?
__________________

405nm HL LaserBTB
JL PL-E Pro - NUBM07E
JL PL-E Pro 2W 445nm LPM @ 2.3W
M140 + SXD in Maglite until NUBM44 arrives

5mw Green laser 301 - 50mw Avg
532nm Star Pointer 60mw avg 115mw peak
Wicked Laser Nano w/ FT Module - 70mw
PL-E Pro NDG7475 In Progress

650nm LPC-826 in Custom Polished Heatsink
650nm LPC-826 Hugsby XP-2 EDC Build

1000+Lm Maglite XP-L @ 2.7A
BLF D80 Led Light Anodized
BLF A6 Anodized + Bare
CUSTOM 1600LM XML2 1A MTN

Hyperion LPM
Hantek 6022BE (DS Oscope)
"Budget" Bench Supply (Chinese)
HP Agilent 6289A (1.5A PS)
Hakko FX888D


Laser Build Estimation Tool @ HobbyLP
Submit your most epic laser build to me and get featured on HobbyLP Blog!

94Z28 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2016, 03:44 AM #9
diachi's Avatar
Class 4 Laser
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Yellowknife, NT, Canada
Posts: 8,455
Rep Power: 85122
diachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Skype™ to diachi
diachi diachi is online now
Class 4 Laser
diachi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Yellowknife, NT, Canada
Posts: 8,455
Rep Power: 85122
diachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond reputediachi has a reputation beyond repute
Send a message via Skype™ to diachi
Default Re: cheap projector

Quote:
Originally Posted by 94Z28 View Post
I'm interested in some PJ also because I have to wave my lasers around to make a show or use some filters for stars..

Thanks for heads up, bUT where's best supply to make a PJ from parts and use your DAC?

You'll likely need to shop at a few places for all of the components, and there are several places for each of those.

I'm a fan of Lasershow Parts or Stanwax Laser entertainment laser services, parts & laser projectors. for optics mounts, scanners and dichros (have some other optics and components too). Pretty sure Stanwax has a new driver coming out soon. Haven't dealt with Opt Lasers personally, but they're apparently good for components too.

You also need a case and something rigid to mount it all on, lots of options there. I generally suggest >5mm Aluminum plate for the base plate.

Perhaps look through some of the older threads in this section, there should be some build threads that'll give you an idea of what goes into DIYing.
__________________


405nm | Banggood LT-850 | "5mW" | Review Unit | Review WIP
445nm | Sanwu Laser Pocket Series | 400mW Metered
445nm | NDB7242E Pen Build | 60mW Metered | >>Build Thread<<
450nm | LaserPointerStore - Thor H2 | 1W(?) | Review Unit | >>Review<<
473nm | B&W Tek BWB-10-OEM |
488nm | Spectra Physics 163 Argon | ~30mW Metered
515nm | PL515 Pen Build | 50mW Metered | >>Build Thread<<
520nm | Laserlands 520 | 5mW | Review Unit | 3mW metered | >>Review<<
532nm | Gearbest 303 Pointer | 50mW Metered
532nm | Gearbest JD-850 Pointer | 30mW Metered (I think, need to re-test).
633nm | HeNe | 6mW
633nm | Spectra Physics 155 HeNe | <1mW >>Thread<<
650nm | Sanwu Laser Pocket Series | 200mW Metered
808nm | Melles Griot 532nm Lab Unit | No Crystals >10W | X2


B&W Tek Spectrometer
LaserBee 2.5W USB LPM


Check out my Reddit Subreddit! >>/r/laserpointers<<

diachi is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-17-2016, 04:39 AM #10
Crazlaser's Avatar
Class 2M Laser
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 811
Rep Power: 10624
Crazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond repute
Crazlaser Crazlaser is offline
Class 2M Laser
Crazlaser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 811
Rep Power: 10624
Crazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond reputeCrazlaser has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: cheap projector

I give up till my funds are sufficient. No need to waste money on low end stuff. Thanks guys.
__________________
Welcome

My lasers
Sanwu 405nm 250mw Sanwu Pocket Series
445nm 1+ watt china generic laser (broken host)
445nm 2.9 watt Sanwu Silver Series
450nm 3mw LP450-1B
532nm 50mw laserbtb
532nm 301
532nm 70mw Pman
532nm 92mw Pman
635nm 800mw Sanwu Challenger multimode
Laserbtb 980nm 800mw
Eagle Pair goggles 190-540nm & 800-2000nm OD4
Crazlaser's Collection
Crazlaser is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply





Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On











Loading
















Privacy Policy | Advertising Disclaimer | Terms of Use


 


All times are GMT. The time now is 04:37 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO
Privacy Policy | Advertising Disclaimer | Terms of Use
Copyright (C) 2017 Laser Pointer Forums, LLC