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just because it has silicone insulation dose not mean it's the same as the wire I sell *1*, how many conductors are in the wire,
since it is one size larger than mine it should have many many more conductors, mine has 64 conductors and that is
why it can carry 5 amps with out getting warm !*2* and why it is so flexable.
most PVC wire*3* of that size will only have 7 conductors.
How many conductors dose your 24 gauge silicone wire have in it ?
it should be stated on the reel the wire came on or a tag attached to it.
First off, you are not good enough to post any questions to me - when you grow up, perhaps - until then though ? Nope. ( in case you are TOTALLY stupid, I am saying this because of your stupid, stupid, STUPID, slanderous, and STUPID email you sent me out of the blue, and didn't have the stones to confess to, loser.)

*1* Never said it was the same as yours - I said it was BETTER. (meaning more gooderer, in case it is not clear enough)
*2* I'm using this wire on my 8 AMP system for my powered wheelchair, and it doesn't even get warm, so hoooray !
*3* Uhm...it's NOT PVC ! It is (I'll spell slowly for you) S. I. L. I. C. O. N. E. (<---thanks, Cyparagon !)

I'm not sure how many strands are in this wire, but I'll tear some up tomorrow, time willing and find out for those that are wondering. This wire works great thus far with three Sonar (Wicked original Sonar cases !) 445nm builds, and as mentioned before - my powered wheelchair - it runs on two 12 v Gell cells that are pushing out 8 AMPS each. I have the wire going from a pigtail to a LM7XXX (can;t recall the numbers ! GAH !) voltage regulator, that drops the voltage down to 12 volts so I can plug in all my glowy skulls and such for my ass-carriage. :-) If I gotta be stuck in it, might as well have fun with it !


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I'm in need of silicone wire!
I was looking into sourcing it out from china but since you've already got it i can get it from you instead.
I'll send you an e-mail soon about getting ~100 feet
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What email are you talking about I have no idea what you are refering to and maby you should just post it here for all to see other wise I would have to call you on that as a lie.
If you can read you will see I never said your wire has a PVC insulation maby you should go get an eye exam...

you are one weird cookie as I have never talked to you befor, maby it's time for you to take your meds so I will back out now and see...


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First off, you are not good enough to post any questions to me - when you grow up, perhaps - until then though ? Nope. ( in case you are TOTALLY stupid, I am saying this because of your stupid, stupid, STUPID, slanderous, and STUPID email you sent me out of the blue, and didn't have the stones to confess to, loser.)

*1* Never said it was the same as yours - I said it was BETTER. (meaning more gooderer, in case it is not clear enough)
*2* I'm using this wire on my 8 AMP system for my powered wheelchair, and it doesn't even get warm, so hoooray !
*3* Uhm...it's NOT PVC ! It is (I'll spell slowly for you) S. I. L. I. C. O. N. E. (<---thanks, Cyparagon !)

I'm not sure how many strands are in this wire, but I'll tear some up tomorrow, time willing and find out for those that are wondering. This wire works great thus far with three Sonar (Wicked original Sonar cases !) 445nm builds, and as mentioned before - my powered wheelchair - it runs on two 12 v Gell cells that are pushing out 8 AMPS each. I have the wire going from a pigtail to a LM7XXX (can;t recall the numbers ! GAH !) voltage regulator, that drops the voltage down to 12 volts so I can plug in all my glowy skulls and such for my ass-carriage. :-) If I gotta be stuck in it, might as well have fun with it !
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What email are you talking about I have no idea what you are refering to and maby you should just post it here for all to see other wise I would have to call you on that as a lie.
If you can read you will see I never said your wire has a PVC insulation maby you should go get an eye exam...

you are one weird cookie as I have never talked to you befor, maby it's time for you to take your meds so I will back out now and see...
Meds, huh ? I see you gotta try to invent stuff to cover your ass, Jeff.

I'm not going to polute my thread with you, or anything to do with you any longer - I have the email if anyone WHO MATTERS wishes to see it, and so does Avery. So go back to fantasy world, and stay out of my thread, and welcome to my ignore list :-) Have a great life !
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OK you said you would show anyone that wanted to see it I want to see it send it to me you say I sent it to you so send it back so I can read it.
and if by some chance I have sent you a email it must have been over a year ago as I can't rember ever sending you one !!!

And I just bet I'm not making anything up about your meds you did say you are in a wheel chair !

I don't need to cover my ass as I only tell the truth and if that hurts I'm sorry for you !

I don't know why you would have to put me on your ignor list as I have never sent you a PM ???

I have a wheel chair also we'll have to get together sometime and have a race
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There must be something in the air tonight. This makes two threads in which vets are at each other.

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I was just about to say the same. Diodes must be dying left and right
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Bottom line, both wires are fine.

Personally, I would prefer smaller since it's more flexible and will fit better in tight spaces, but if only one step up in size is cheaper, that is good too.

Both are silicone wires and will therefore withstand a soldering iron's heat.

As for the amount of current each can handle, I don't see why that would be an issue for people here. When do we ever run high currents in our application? Both will certainly be able to handle 2A and under. Take a look at this chart and you'll understand: Amps and Wire Gauge - 12V Circuit. I don't think anyone here is going to be using more than 50ft pieces for a high power laser application.
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Why would two vets fight each other.......chill...... this forum isnt for arguing or fighing. It just makes me sad seing two people argue and since both of you's are vets its even worse and WHY THE HELL would you be calling people stupid and all that crap.....I never knew wire could cause such a fuss omg.......

im not trying to be rude or anything of the sort to Senkat OR Jeff but seriously guys....

btw Senkat not to be rude but he didnt say that your wire is PVC

"most PVC wire of that size will only have 7 conductors.
How many conductors dose your 24 gauge silicone wire have in it ?"

im not favoring anyone but seriouly its wire.................
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No, the more strands, the more flexibility ONLY.

The amount of heating in a wire is independent of the number of strands, and here's why:

P=IČR
R=ρL/A

Where R is resistance, ρ (Greek letter rho) is resistivity of the material, L is length, and A is cross-sectional area. When you increase the number of strands, you do not change anything in this formula. If two wires are 26 AWG and both are made of the same material, then they will both have the same resistance per unit length and therefore the same current carrying capacity.

Wikipedia - "The AWG tables are for a single, solid, round conductor. The AWG of a stranded wire is determined by the total cross-sectional area of the conductor, which determines its current-carrying capacity and electrical resistance. Because there are also small gaps between the strands, a stranded wire will always have a slightly larger overall diameter than a solid wire with the same AWG."

18AWG is rated for 14A, and 24 AWG has 1/4th the cross sectional area, so 3A is the most I would put through it. You can't accurately judge how hot the wire is getting just be feeling it. For one, it is very small so it won't feel as hot. Also, silicone is also a good heat insulator. The copper will always be hotter than the outer insulation, and the heat transferred to your finger will be lessened as well. It's like trying to tell how hot your pie is by touching the counter next to the oven.

Try this: put a volt-meter across the two ends of the wire you have on your wheelchair. You'll find the voltage drop under a load is not zero.
You might be able to get away with it, but why push it? Wire is cheap - use something bigger.
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No, the more strands, the more flexibility ONLY.

The amount of heating in a wire is independent of the number of strands, and here's why:

P=IČR
R=ρL/A

Where R is resistance, ρ (Greek letter rho) is resistivity of the material, L is length, and A is cross-sectional area. When you increase the number of strands, you do not change anything in this formula. If two wires are 26 AWG and both are made of the same material, then they will both have the same resistance per unit length and therefore the same current carrying capacity.

Wikipedia - "The AWG tables are for a single, solid, round conductor. The AWG of a stranded wire is determined by the total cross-sectional area of the conductor, which determines its current-carrying capacity and electrical resistance. Because there are also small gaps between the strands, a stranded wire will always have a slightly larger overall diameter than a solid wire with the same AWG."

18AWG is rated for 14A, and 24 AWG has 1/4th the cross sectional area, so 3A is the most I would put through it. You can't accurately judge how hot the wire is getting just be feeling it. For one, it is very small so it won't feel as hot. Also, silicone is also a good heat insulator. The copper will always be hotter than the outer insulation, and the heat transferred to your finger will be lessened as well. It's like trying to tell how hot your pie is by touching the counter next to the oven.

Try this: put a volt-meter across the two ends of the wire you have on your wheelchair. You'll find the voltage drop under a load is not zero.
You might be able to get away with it, but why push it? Wire is cheap - use something bigger.
Damned good to know !

RESPECT THE SCIENCE !

I think MANY people can learn from Cyparagon - does anyone else notice how he let the silent E jab slide right off, with the good humor it was intended ? And yet he STILL posted incredibly useful info ! Thanks for the post, I'll strip the wires off this weekend, and re-do the wiring so as not to catch fire whilst rolling along ! THAT WOULD TRULY SUCK !
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Wooo-hoooo ! Heat-Shrink tubing now available as well :-) 3/32 " size - a LITTLE bit bigger than I originally wanted, but it allows a tiny bit of extra room for a stray blob of solder, or too much bulk in the solder joint....shrinks up nicely, too ! Colors include Black, and Red. You will receive 12" of BOTH colors for $2.00 - but, like the wire - you MUST have a minimum order of $10.00 (including the heatshrink !) in order to purchase this, as I would lose my rear on shipping costs if you only bought 12" and that was it - sorry for the heinous condition !



$3.50 for <----uhm, not sure where the hell I was going with this two word comment... so, please ignore it !

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Guys --- I have posted in the past that small, multi-strand wire can carry more current due to "skin effect" . I have used solid 30 AWG up to #24,9 strand stranded in the past and never had problems with 3 Amps.
Look at the wire inside a 2 Amp fuse! It's like a hair. Look at real flexable welding cable running 300 Amps. All fine wire.
This argument appears to revolve around AWG size but it is meaningless in this 1-3 Amp range. It all depends on the application. Try some of each -- it's cheap. The insulation on both is super even to a "seasoned" solder person like me.

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Guys --- I have posted in the past that small, multi-strand wire can carry more current due to "skin effect" .
The skin-effect only applies to high frequency AC.

Laser diodes use DC.

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Look at real flexable welding cable running 300 Amps.
HAH! Can you imagine how stiff a solid 0000 gauge conductor would be?

If it were about strand count, there would be no large wire. Trust me, the extra strands are there ONLY for increased flexibility.
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Cypa----- All my education and experience is now proven wrong. Guess I'll pour another

By the way -- when all those fine strands are soldered into a solid glob -- what do you have?

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I'm not going to polute my thread with you, or anything to do with you any longer - I have the email if anyone WHO MATTERS wishes to see it, and so does Avery. So go back to fantasy world, and stay out of my thread, and welcome to my ignore list :-) Have a great life !
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