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Old 12-12-2011, 02:26 PM   #1
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Default UK Police using lasers

This looks interesting... maybe a tad bit dangerous for the eyes?

Police to test laser that 'blinds rioters' - Telegraph
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Thats pretty intense... Sounds like it wouldn't work as well as some of the other clever riot control methods recently developed (like that low frequency noise that makes you sick inside. hahaha). But I don't think it would have a devastating impact on your eyes unless you were exposed to it many times over. One of my professors was a pilot who tested supersonic jets when the military was first discovering the technology. He told us that in training, in order to ensure that everyone had their sonic boom masks on at the time of the actual test, they were put through a test in which an incredibly bright light was blasted directly at them. This is obviously because a sonic boom creates a bright flash that would temporarily blind any passenger in the cockpit of that plane. He was completely blind for 47 seconds......
Yet he can still see well (for a 70 year old dude) today :P
So as it is probably bad for your vision, I doubt that it would have a lasting impact.
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There is an awesome business opportunity here. I'm going to start selling laser safety glasses for rioters
In all seriousness though people will just start wearing mirrored sun glasses and while all of us here know that doesn't provide enough protection it will most likely be enough to protect against the extremely diffused beam this thing will use especially considering how short the exposure times will probably be. Of course this is all assuming that this weapon even gets approval for use.


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(like that low frequency noise that makes you sick inside. hahaha).
That doesn't actually exist. There is no brown note, and no frequency of sound or infrasound has been found to cause nausea etc. The only way that type of thing has ever come close to working is when the source of vibration (infrasound) was physically connected to the person which would essentially require having someone lay on a huge speaker of sorts, and even then the worst effects were respiratory related. So you basically have to lay on a huge infrasound vibrating table and even then it's not very effective.
Now there are sonic weapons such as the LRAD (Long Range Acoustic Device) that are just extremely loud and annoying but other than that they don't have any other physiological effects.
IMO when it comes to directed energy weapons the most promising is the ADS (Active Denial System), it essentially has a "heat ray" effect on people by using directed microwave energy to heat only the epidermis and not the dermis. Give this a read it's got some very interesting info. Active Denial System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is a video of the technology being tested on a reporter

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laser dazzlers are nothing that new, not sure why they'd cost 25,000 though..
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Not a bad idea actually. You could make a lot of money
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Not a bad idea actually. You could make a lot of money
I know right. People would eat that shit up. Plenty of rioters buy hard hats and gas masks. Make the price cheap enough and they would sell.
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laser dazzlers are nothing that new, not sure why they'd cost 25,000 though..
All the better to make tax revenues disappear...

I remember watching The West Wing a few years back... there were some great episodes in that series.

Anyway in one of them a submarine captain goes on a tirade when one of the secretaries questions why everything for a submarine is so freaking expensive.

So he picks up a special $600 "submarine" ashtray, and proceeds to smash it.

Unlike the your regular glass ashtray, this one breaks into three nice even pieces. The captain goes on to say that the reason everything is so expensive, is you don't want to be dealing with sharp glass flying around when the submarine is hit with a torpedo.

Everyone in the room goes "AHH so that's why!" and queue next scene.

Here's my problem.... WHY THE F*CK is there an ashtray on a submarine in the first place?

After all... there is no smoking on submarines
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laser dazzlers are nothing that new, not sure why they'd cost 25,000 though..
Because overpricing shit on government contracts is what government contracts are all about
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I have heard and seen videos of LRAD, which rioters are seen running from holding their ears but now they want to use lasers?

Ok if you make custom goggles for rioters can i suggest a tight fit arround the eyes like swimming goggles so it can also protect the eyes from tear gas.

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^^^If you're going to that extreme, might as well just strap on a scuba tank, and some noise cancellation headphones
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the goggles i can deal with lol but a tank on my back is too heavy unless im in the middle of the riot juzt watching
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I could sell the glasses alone or as a package deal that includes a pair of safety glasses, a hardhat, ear plugs, and one of those gas masks that doesn't actually go over your whole head.









And when they buy the whole package they'll look like this




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Thats pretty intense... Sounds like it wouldn't work as well as some of the other clever riot control methods recently developed (like that low frequency noise that makes you sick inside. hahaha). But I don't think it would have a devastating impact on your eyes unless you were exposed to it many times over. One of my professors was a pilot who tested supersonic jets when the military was first discovering the technology. He told us that in training, in order to ensure that everyone had their sonic boom masks on at the time of the actual test, they were put through a test in which an incredibly bright light was blasted directly at them. This is obviously because a sonic boom creates a bright flash that would temporarily blind any passenger in the cockpit of that plane. He was completely blind for 47 seconds......
Yet he can still see well (for a 70 year old dude) today :P
So as it is probably bad for your vision, I doubt that it would have a lasting impact.
Er, aircraft exceeding the sound barrier (and creating sonic booms) don't 'create' flashes of light. Only loud noises. Maybe your confusing it with some of the early nuclear testing? Those certainly DID create bright flashes of light. Though the visible spectrum photons were really the least of the concerns for people exposed to the tests.
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This is just sick. It's high time people rose up against their Euro-masters...
I can only hope we can turn America around quick enough, lest we suffer the same fate.
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This is just sick. It's high time people rose up against their Euro-masters...
I can only hope we can turn America around quick enough, lest we suffer the same fate.
Well In my opinion I would rather be hit with a dazzler that doesn't do permanent damage than a baton that could easily crack my skull open. Obviously I would rather have neither and I do agree that if people are protesting peacefully (the rioting in england last summer was not peaceful) that they should not be attacked or beaten or hit with lasers.
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Agreed, I would prefer neither. Those protests in England targeted the wrong people... Keep in mind that what the government does everyday is not peaceful in any way. They take more and more of our money, and enforce their illegal laws with their armed thugs.

Anyways LPF is not a political forum so ill be quiet now xD
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Agreed, I would prefer neither. Those protests in England targeted the wrong people... Keep in mind that what the government does everyday is not peaceful in any way. They take more and more of our money, and enforce their illegal laws with their armed thugs.

Anyways LPF is not a political forum so ill be quiet now xD
Agreed.
As far as politics on LPF I would say this thread is a fine place to discuss it. It's when people start bringing up politics in threads that have absolutely nothing to do with it that it gets annoying.
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IMO when it comes to directed energy weapons the most promising is the ADS (Active Denial System), it essentially has a "heat ray" effect on people by using directed microwave energy to heat only the epidermis and not the dermis.
Is this the same sort of concept as a maser (microwave-wavelength laser)? Maybe they'll develop hand-held masers to fry the protesters next :P
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This isn't a maser (just being focused doesn't make it a *aser.. amplification by stimulated emission does), and it doesn't really 'fry' people either.

The heat generated is dissipated fast enough that it will never get to the levels of 'burning' people physically regardless of the length of exposure time. From what i've read of people's descriptions of being in the beam, that's kind of what it feels like though.
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This isn't a maser (just being focused doesn't make it a *aser.. amplification by stimulated emission does), and it doesn't really 'fry' people either.

The heat generated is dissipated fast enough that it will never get to the levels of 'burning' people physically regardless of the length of exposure time. From what i've read of people's descriptions of being in the beam, that's kind of what it feels like though.
Alright thanks for the clarification. Although because it's microwave radiation doesn't that mean that it's not actually heating the skin through radiation but rather vibrating the water molecules inside so much that they heat up? I read about the ADS a few years back (Nonlethal Gun Makes You Wish You Were Shot with BFG).
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You know the world is a pretty f*cked up place when peaceful protesters in a so called first world power, can be maced, tasered, microwaved, beaten, and then arrested indefinitely without a trial.

Hope that SOB piece of $hit excuse for a cop gets a baton rammed up where the sun doesn't shine.

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You know the world is a pretty f*cked up place when peaceful protesters in a so called first world power, can be maced, tasered, microwaved, beaten, and then arrested indefinitely without a trial.

Hope that SOB piece of $hit excuse for a cop gets a baton rammed up where the sun doesn't shine.
I couldn't agree more.
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