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FrozenGate by Avery

Scammed by jake21!!!!

ban jake?

  • yes

    Votes: 12 14.3%

  • no

    Votes: 23 27.4%

  • i dont know

    Votes: 11 13.1%

  • yes - forever

    Votes: 15 17.9%

  • yes - 6 months

    Votes: 2 2.4%

  • yes - 1 month

    Votes: 1 1.2%

  • yes - let c0ld decide

    Votes: 20 23.8%
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Hi,
I bought a laser kit from stonetek which 'luckily' came through. As at the time i couldn't build lasers, i sent the electric components of the laser to jake lovern. we pmed each other for a while and he seemed to be a very trusted member due to his post count and reputatation.
it turns out that i and many other members have been trying to email and pm him about posting and returning our items with little success.
im very piss3d off due to the amount of money i spent on the laser kit. all i asked from jake was that he would build it for me but it now turns out he kept it.
the laser was meant to be for a presentation, the fact that i actually gave him money to do a job.
if you can help with this issue about jake please pm me or post.

ps

i cant even charge back due to the fact this was not a paypal transaction or had nothing to do with paypal.

never ever going to deal with jake.

Shyam Varsani
 





You're not the first, sorry he got you though. There are several threads about his misdeeds, call the local police on him. I have the address but you should too. ;)
 
Send a PM to cOld (Avery) & he WILL look into it for you. Provide him with the conversations &/or a link to them...........rob
 
Interesting...I have delt with Jake a couple of times and each time, everything turned out fine. I wonder what has been going on with him lately. hmmm
 
Sorry to hear you lost your laser kit.

I have had problems with jake in the past and since then I have just refused to buy anything from him.
 
As phoenix77 said, contact c0ld with all details you have on the matter and he will look into it.. It appears that Jake is very good to all veterans on LPF, but continuously screws over people who are new to the forum because they can't speak up for themselves as much as someone who has been here for years. Well, now is the time for all you to speak up to the person who has authority: Avery (c0ldshadow). It seems the forum has been flooded with deals gone wrong recently, and always for the noobs. This should be a safe haven where scams and bad service are very rare, and that is how it usually is.
 
i cant believe all this is happening and jake is still here? ban him! obviously people trust his postingcount and rep, and thats what these numbers are for. since its not the first time jake did something like this, ban him! sure, he will come back, but with a rep and postcount more appropriate.. and finally, he may change if he wants.

manuel
 
We have seen all of this happen on the forum in the past.
It goes something like this

1) Young lad starts making lasers/parts/drivers, he seems to be good at it..
2) Forum members ask "can you make me one"? Of course he can! Orders start coming in, lasers are sold and it all seems easy.
3) For a while it all goes great, lots of happy customers and money coming in. Rep and post count builds.
4) Homework and exams loom and orders get behind, all customer information is in PM's, no spreadsheet to keep things in order, things get forgotten.
5) Money gets spent on other things.
6) Promises are made that are not kept, seller starts to get stressed and further behind.
7) It all gets too much for seller and e-mails are ignored.
8) The whole thing colapses with recriminations and acrimony.

Just a heads up for other would be sellers on the forum.

1) Buying and selling on a regular basis is a business, not a game, this is real money from real people that you are handling.
2) Keep good records of what you are selling to who, E-mails, addresses, timings and the costings involved.
3) Be sure that the money to complete orders is used for buying parts for those orders, it is not a fund to improve your computer/game console/music collection.
4) Do not even start down the road if school/college exams are in the offing.

Note to buyers

It comes as a hard lesson when someone you thought you could trust lets you down, it is very easy to get angry at a very early stage and bang off e-mails/start threads that are rude/threatening and start Paypal disputes at the drop of a hat.
Try and keep it friendly, try to work it out. It may take a couple of weeks of negotiations but it is worth trying and is likely to get better results, be patient. Only when it is obvious that you are being given the runaround should you resort to bringing it to the forum.

Disclaimer

I am not saying that anyone who has posted problems on this thread has not gone about it in the right way as I do not have the information to make that call.

Regards rog8811
 
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Brilliant advice rog, you should start a new thread with that and have it stickied.
 
I might just rewrite it slightly and post it in Buy/Sell/Trade.

Regards rog8811
 
rog8811 said:
We have seen all of this happen on the forum in the past.
It goes something like this

1) Young lad starts making lasers/parts/drivers, he seems to be good at it..
2) Forum members ask "can you make me one"? Of course he can! Orders start coming in, lasers are sold and it all seems easy.
3) For a while it all goes great, lots of happy customers and money coming in. Rep and post count builds.
4) Homework and exams loom and orders get behind, all customer information is in PM's, no spreadsheet to keep things in order, things get forgotten.
5) Money gets spent on other things.
6) Promises are made that are not kept, seller starts to get stressed and further behind.
7) It all gets too much for seller and e-mails are ignored.
8) The whole thing colapses with recriminations and acrimony.

Just a heads up for other would be sellers on the forum.

1) Buying and selling on a regular basis is a business, not a game, this is real money from real people that you are handling.
2) Keep good records of what you are selling to who, E-mails, addresses, timings and the costings involved.
3) Be sure that the money to complete orders is used for buying parts for those orders, it is not a fund to improve your computer/game console/music collection.
4) Do not even start down the road if school/college exams are in the offing.

Note to buyers

It comes as a hard lesson when someone you thought you could trust lets you down, it is very easy to get angry at a very early stage and bang off e-mails/start threads that are rude/threatening and start Paypal disputes at the drop of a hat.
Try and keep it friendly, try to work it out. It may take a couple of weeks of negotiations but it is worth trying and is likely to get better results, be patient. Only when it is obvious that you are being given the runaround should you resort to bringing it to the forum.

Disclaimer

I am not saying that anyone who has posted problems on this thread has not gone about it in the right way as I do not have the information to make that call.

Regards rog8811
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I request this be stickied in the B/S/T section ASAP.
 
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rangedunits said:
Seem vacant!
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maybe Jakes house is a grow/illegal laser house: Grow house for maryjane...

That is the right address...Don't know... Maybe people should hold off on the

Jake bashing untill he makes a statement. Seems like today especially

That there is alot of hubbubb about his ability to forfill his obligations.
 
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Jake is having some problems at the moment if I remember correctly. I have been frustrated dealing with him, but I think he will try to pull through.
 
Jake's problem is mainly number 2 on my list above.
2) Keep good records of what you are selling to who, E-mails, addresses, timings and the costings involved.
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I have dealt with him and have recieved things unexpectedly, not recieved things I was expecting.
BUT, and this is the important bit!
I contacted him, kept it friendly and we sorted it out.

Just my experience.

Regards rog8811

Edit, my post above is now in buy/sell/trade, if it gets stickied all to the good.
 
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