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Old 08-15-2017, 09:50 AM #65
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I’m no scientist, but I do wonder about the double slit experiment and maybe I am wrong in this or have misunderstood the implications of the results. Does the experiement show that our concsiousness can affect reality at certain levels, or does it show that some other force, like God for example, is affecting reality and preventing us from seeing what we want/expect to see, in our close examinations. Is this force showing us that no matter how far our knowledge goes, the laws of physics can easily be contradicted by the force itself – ‘knowing which slit a particle goes through causes it to stay a particle all the way to the detector, but if you don't know, it never becomes a particle and stays a wave of possibilities’.

I fear that humans are always trying to big themselves up. Think of how we believed we were the centre of the universe for centuries. Think of how we view animals as inferior beings without souls or language – how the hell do we know this, for sure? We peal back all the layers of the onion just to reveal even more layers and this could go on forever, like a Russian doll.

I must stress that I am an Agnostic but the desperate attempts by some schientists to wipe out God, at all costs, seems to me the wrong approach. Think of the Simulation Hypothesis – ‘we were created by a superior computer intelligence. At least it’s not God’. Be it a superior computer intelligence or God, it amounts to the same thing, albeit with a different name. Parallel Universes seem as unlikely to me as a God with a beard and an Afterlife of happiness, yet it is becoming a commonly-held belief. I stress again, I am an Agnostic, or maybe moreso an Ignostic. I await death in nervous excitement because it’s going to be the biggest adventure of my life. Only then will I know the answers to my questions for sure, so the court is out until then. I can tell you that this attitude is healthy for the mind – replacing fear with curiousity when it comes to one’s own death. Fore me, it’s gonna be the biggest rollercoaster ride ever or else it’s going to be absolutely nothing (so I won't even be able to be disappointed in the truth).
There is more than one camp regarding the implications of the double slit experiment, but if studied, I cannot see how anyone could form an opinion different than the outcome indicates consciousness is the base reality, either that, or our reality isn't what it appears to be.

Although I will sometimes write the word "God", I am fairly uncomfortable using that word because there is too much baggage which goes along with it, it packs a boat load of different meanings to different people, probably not a good word to use, but I don't know how else to state it. I will say this though, I think our concept of God is surely all human, is probably as far from what it really is than light is to darkness, maybe a pin point of light in there, but I suspect that's as close as we can get. I really prefer to think of God as a the top of the consciousness pyramid which is aware of all points of consciousness in existence, that we are part of it too, as a collective.

In my opinion, religious organisations have high-jacked our innate sense of spirituality and have used it for their own, claiming through their organisations you can find the path to everlasting life, to God, while denying other organisations in competition with them. I don't believe any religious organisation can make that claim, that we all have equal access to the thing called God, according to our own abilities which can grow over time. I have a lot more to share about this subject, but I don't think writing it all out to be very useful for anyone as I am uncertain about too many ideas myself. I will continue with this; where we can, we all must choose our own destiny and I don't necessarily believe we are all here for the same thing, or to be spiritually minded.

To each their own, life is to be lived as we choose, there are too many possibilities not to. The universe is huge with large expanses for a reason, I believe to allow diverse individuality, the place was built far too big to be for anything less. What is full diversity? Peace, war, good, bad, light, darkness, evil, interesting, wonderful, awesome, boring, adventure, freedom, imprisonment, nothingness, meaning, science, spirituality, religion, atheism, weak, strong, wrong, fair, rightful, destruction, construction and on and on and on.... It's a play ground, a serious one and a foolish one, choose your path.

I believe the universe is full of life in very diverse forms doing just that. We are allowed, in accord to our individual abilities to do those things, all of the good, bad and in between. The punishment and rewards come from what we become in the doing as well as reaping what we sow, not a God looking to reward or punish individuals, yet I think such exists and is the cause of our existence. The concept is without need of organized religious beliefs involved except one which religion didn't invent; that such is as a knowing sometimes buried deep inside. My belief is we each have an individual connection to it here and even more so at a deeper more expansive level than we can normally see.


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"I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness..." - Max Planck. "Everything we call real is made of things that cannot be regarded as real" - Neils Bohr. "What we call physical things and events do not exist independently of subjective experience..." - Deepak Chopra.

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I've never liked the double slit experiment because they always explain it in a too simplified and spooky way. The way they observe the photon or whatever is via something that comes in contact with it to show what it is doing. Like turning the lights on to see a ball fly through the air. This "looking or observing" actually affects the wave giving it particle features and changing what it does. I have a feeling when it acts like a wave unobserved, the particle wave thing travels in s 2 dimensional wave pattern, so depending on it's position, and the angle and direction it is moving when it gets to the slit, it likely bounces off the side thickness of the material with the slits, and goes off in some direction that is not a straight shot through the slit.

As for God: He is who is, he is existence, not just a wisdom that creates and controls, but one that is. All things individually are the smallest part of Him, and all things together in the observable universe, and the unobservable that exists, makes up God. If nothing existed God would exist as nothing, and that nothing would know itself because nothing would exist. Thank Existence we have a fascinating universe to observe. Anyway this is how God would know the future, because if he knows every little detail, predicting the future is as easy as 1+1=2, and since things have happened and will happen, they are already known, and always exist constantly in God's memory as if He is outside of our timeline seeing it all as one short instant.

Anyway, eclipse stuff today got me thinking as I put away the telescope, I have a giant beam expander right here, and I wonder if it would work well for long distance pointing: shining through the eyepiece
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