Free laser!!!

L@z3r said:

[quote author=MarioMaster link=1234108457/20#26 date=1234140010][quote author=L@z3r link=1234108457/0#1 date=1234109628]That's unethical man. How would you feel if you got to keep it for free ? Maybe he just sells the dang laser, he has no idea of the output, most companies only go by what the manufacturer states.
And most likely he was too busy or just missed the warning ?  I would not be laughing about that.

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Quote from " Day"  Ok, i have a idea, if your not contributing to the thread then dont post in it! dont fill it up with a bunch of posts ! dont go filling up other peoples threads with insults. There is no reason to start these online insult fights, they dont just hurt the other party, they hurt you for joining in on them. I dont have to keep saying it over and over and over. JUST DONT POST!  

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I suppose I should've elaborated myself. I side with --Hallucynogenyc-- in that if the seller can't be around to respond then he shouldn't be selling items while he's away. Paypal gave him plenty of time to at least respond and without doing so he automatically loses the dispute. Plus he's selling crappy lasers on ebay which aren't allowed to begin with. Also, I'm getting tired of seeing your posts and will be talking with C0ld as to why you're not banned yet.

Well... a picture is worth 1000 words
The right thing to do would be to return the laser (I personally wouldn't bother... but it IS the right thing)
Also: Try not to go with the paypal claims-- it really hurts the seller...
You weren't ripped off or scammed... it is $8 more than the true 30mW and $3 more than the 50mW... I don't know why you would fuss over that amount...
The right thing to do would have been to close the claim when you received it... and then returned the laser for refund...

--Hallucynogenyc-- said:

@laserbee: he actually can't do nothing. I mean [highlight]a closed dispute cannot be reopened[/highlight], what he had to do was to give a tracking number or a proof of shiping it, (in case i really had not recived it) but if he doesnt anser in 10 days you automaticly win the case, its just like that. He ansered my emails at first but he started ignoring me as soon as I mentioned the word "dealextreme". (thanks LPF members for a so good information you provided me )

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I'll say it again.... even if you win a claim and get a refund... the seller has a window of time
after you are awarded the claim Refund... to contest the Claim decision... with a "Proof of Delivery"
(if he has a proof of delivery)... and PayPal WILL reverse the Claim..
The Seller only needs to show proof of delivery... and PayPal will reverse the refund...for a period
of time.. even after the claim is closed...

Once the Time window closes... then the seller has no recourse...
And for $9.99 EUR... I don't think this will happen... :

Jerry

[ch12290 said:

]It's true that they provide crappy customer service, and true that their advertising is a bit shoddy, but they are NOT scamming and NOT breaking any laws. It is advertised as <80mW, and that is true  

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I've made this point more than once....
Someone sees <80mW and assumes it is guaranteed 80mW output
when in fact... anything Less Than 80mW is as advertised...

That means if the Laser was only 10mW the statement <80 is still true...
and not a scam...
What gives it away is the price... :

Jerry

--Hallucynogenyc-- said:

(it cannot even pop a balloon if its not with a magnifing glass, black dot and long time)

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so apparently you did make this assumption based on a "burning-test". :-?

I alredy said i had many other things that make me think that.

@laserbee: he can't provide any tracking number because it was sent by normal mail.

@[ch12290]= Then how to go if he's not answereing lol. So what to do now. I mesage him saying "ey guy tell me your direction and I send you the laser becasue you were so good with me" He was like shit with me i'm not going to give the laser away for such an idiot. he had no education I'm not gona have it with him.


I doubt noone here would have done anything diferent than me.

you sir were wrong now send it to me just to make things right lol :

lets just take Alberts word for what it is. Unless somebody personally knows that Albert is a liar. I believe him. and why would the seller change his name. and benm is correct too. The buyer has isnt responsible for freight costs on a defective product. I would never dream of doing that to my customers.

michael

follow up. I sell used circuit breakers that weigh in the hundreds of pounds and freigh is in the hundreds as well. absorbing the cost of freight is just a part of biz. and some times the circuit breaker isnt worth the cost so i tell the customer i'll send out a different one and tell him to do whatever with the defective one

michael. :'(

chipdouglas said:

lets just take Alberts word for what it is. Unless somebody personally knows that Albert is a liar. I believe him. and why would the seller change his name. and benm is correct too. The buyer has isnt responsible for freight costs on a defective product. I would never dream of doing that to my customers.

michael

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I didn't understand nothing of what you said. You used online translator or sthing? "The buyer has isnt responsible" wow

--Hallucynogenyc-- said:

[quote author=chipdouglas link=1234108457/32#39 date=1234212501]lets just take Alberts word for what it is. Unless somebody personally knows that Albert is a liar. I believe him. and why would the seller change his name. and benm is correct too. The buyer has isnt responsible for freight costs on a defective product. I would never dream of doing that to my customers.

michael

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I didn't understand nothing of what you said. You used online translator or sthing? "The buyer has isnt responsible" wow

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It looks like you are using a translator (and it's not working very well).... :

chipdouglas is agreeing with you.............  : : :

Just remove the "has" before the "isn't"... we all make typos.....

Jerry

chipdouglas said:

lets just take Alberts word for what it is. Unless somebody personally knows that Albert is a liar. I believe him. and why would the seller change his name. and benm is correct too. The buyer has isnt responsible for freight costs on a defective product. I would never dream of doing that to my customers.

michael

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Well... Michael.... contrary to regular business practices....

If you received a defective eBay item and you win the PayPal claim against the Seller....
You the Buyer are required to pay for shipping the defective part back...
and you better add Tracking to that package... because if the Seller says he never
received it.... kiss your Defective item and your refund good-bye...

And this thread is about a defective eBay Item... :

Jerry

well jerry you are correct about that ebay stuff you said. so thanks for pointing that out and defending my sloppy typing!!!!!

john lawson said:

you sir were wrong now send it to me just to make things right lol :

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I agree.  ;D

Fleebay quote:
Material High quality Aluminium Metal (Black matte-plating)

Model No. LP3997

Laser Type Visible Green laser

Output Power < 80mW (Guarantee genuine / Real as shown)

Wave Length 532nm

Beam Distance over 500 - 10,000 meters

Working Time Over 8000 hours

Working Temp -10? ~ + 40? Ta = 25?

Working Voltage 0 ? ~ + 40?

Storage Voltage -10? ~ + 50?

Size 9.5cm (Length) / 2.8cm (Diameter)

Style Portable Pointer / Torch (attached a buckle)

Battery 1 x CR123A 3V (Included)

On/Off Button Simple press to activate and release to deactivate

Condition Brand new with Gift Box (User guide attached inside)

Passed QC/ CE/ TUV/ FDA/ RoHs/ PAHs (Class IIIb Product)

Function Used as Astronomy indicator or good for teaching / lectures baton

Features ~

Compare with RED laser pointer, the green laser beam dot can be seen at much greater distances, So you will able to see a very clear green beam in the sky (not just the laser beam dot) when skypointing at night or in a dark conditions..

That's completely false information, heck I couldn't even find a LP3997 laser (but I didn't look too long) but found a LDO CMOS regulator with that number.  :-? http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/95624/NSC/LP3997.html

And I vote that it is the sellers fault here.  The buyer obviously didn't know much about lasers and because of this seller he had to browse the horizons.  But, as any buyer should keep in mind is that it is ebay and there are defiantly going to be many dishonest sellers, and buyers.  

For your info, unless you have much experience with lasers, you can only estimate a lasers power by 10-20mW if you're good, and those DX New Wish 30 mW lasers that you used for referencing comparison, vary all over the place, from less then 5mW to greater then 50mW.  There are no quality control at DX and DX do not rate these units and the Chinese manufacture of these cheapest of cheap green lasers don't have guarantees and a lot of time put the wrong label on the wrong laser.  But, these are the perfect lasers to scam people with on ebay also.   And judging from the item description, the seller must have forfeit the dispute because he knew that all of his specifications are wrong, even down to the battery size, so it would cost more then it's worth to investigate and he knew that he was of disadvantage anyway, and like Coherent said, he's probably scammed enough people to eat the cost of this one and still sleep fine.  

However, know that you're very lucky, as there are many others who have been royally screwed and didn't get this nice opportunity to get justice, so good for you!   Luck only goes so far though... don't get used to it!  

@ace82: Ye well thats just another sign of the seller attitude, as i said he just copied-pasted the description and changed the power. Also I'm sure he chagned the label for one of 80mW (Have someone ever seen a label saying 80mW?) and lets rock the party i sell it for 20[ch8364] (23 bucks or more) and it costs me 13, 10$ to the pocket. As i said him on the mail, ¡¡fuck u men!!!

lasersbee said:

[quote author=Coherent link=1234108457/0#14 date=1234123785]How is HE the scammer.  The seller is the one ripping people off with cheap crap and then not responding to any of the emails/paypal disputes.  No customer service at all  If I had a seller do that to me I would have done the exact same thing.

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I agree... normally... "no customer support" after a sale is a good indication that  the
seller knows his product is defective.
The one not holding up his end of the bargain is the Seller...
Besides... PayPal nor the Seller did not ask to have it shipped back...

Jerry
[/quote] That seller was playing the odds game and lost. IMOO!! : Fleabay is the last place I would buy a cheap laser. This post is a
template on why I would never buy dropshipped 30mW lasers's from sleesybay.