Hello
I have a complicated project requiring CNC maching. Emachineshop looks like an option, but low volume parts are very expensive...So I want to know what I may be getting into before I drop the dough.
Does anyone have experience with emachineshop that they would like to share? I am interested in Quality, timeliness, precision, etc. and anything else you can think of.
FYI I am looking at getting the attached parts machined. (Pay no attention to the dimensions on the drawings as some of them are wrong.)
I work at eMachineShop - thanks for looking at our website, and for considering using us for you machined parts. I'd be glad to help you and other forum users with any questions you have about using us.
The parts in your .pdf files are straightforward and are certainly within our capability. I think you'd find they are very easy to draw in our software.
As another poster pointed out, quantity is certainly a factor in the cost of any CNC machines part. With a low quantity run of relatively simple parts like these, the actual time the machine cuts metal is a small percentage of the cost of the job. The programming and machine setup time are a much larger percentage of the total. As the quantity of parts increase, that setup time is spread over a larger number of pieces, and the cost of extra parts becomes relatively small in comparison to just making a few of them. Some of the other factors that drive the cost are the material used, the tightness of the tolerances that need to be held, the complexity of the part and how quickly the parts need to be produced. Our website has several areas where we give tips on things you can do to minimize cost, and these would apply to any machine shop you deal with. If you are not a machinist, some of the factors may not be obvious, especially in the area of parts design and tolerancing. I'd be glad to answer any questions you have on your design as you go forward.
Ok, I may be the only one here who can speak to their service - and even at that it's only based on two experiences with them.
My nutshell:
- They'll be slower than they estimate.
- You have to spell out EVERYTHING important, take nothing for granted.
- If you're doing something with tight tolerances (like a diode press-fit, or even lens threading) make heavy use of "comments to machinist" to basically say:
"Over-ride default tolerances. This measurement MUST BE BETWEEN 5.62 and 5.68mm in diameter."
or
"This tap MUST smoothly thread an M12x0.5 threaded brass part. I can send you an example of such part if needed."
etc
I'll give you another tip. The quantity discounts scale VERY fast, especially with small parts. To order 10 of something is often only 50% more than ordering 1 of it. And ordering 100 of something is often only 50% more than ordering 10. In other words, why spend $300 on 1 one part, when you could spend $500 on 100 parts? If it's a cool enough part, sell the extras. It's the only way to get your price down.
That said, if you really only want 1, and if you have a good schematic drawn up, go to CNCZone.com and post it. See what a machinist will quote you for 1x copy. They'll probably be cheaper for 1x than ordering 1x through emachineshop. However, the machinists on CNCZone.com tend to be less competitive once you get up into multiple parts.
Thanks for sharing your experiences with using us! I think you captured the basic economics of buying qty 1 vs qty 100 very well. We have lots of customers who do just what you suggest - come up with a good design for their own use, manufacture enough parts to sell some to others, and lower their own cost. In some cases, their cost went below $0, and they made money on their parts. We have several customers who have bootstrapped their way into new careers, launched from their good ideas, and using as as their manufacturer as they scaled up. With today's CNC machines and services like ours your only limits are your own creativity and entrepreneurial spirit.
You comments about tolerances and using Comments to Machinist are also spot on. No machinist "knows" what you want your parts to look like - the only way to communicate this is through the drawings used to make the parts. Never assume that the machinist knows what you want - be explicit. Our software tries to simplify the process, and help you set your specifications, but ultimately only you know what you need. The software also gives expert advice on your design, and warns of potential manufacturing issues. Just one nit to pick - a comment to the machinist like "must thread smoothly" is a subjective term. You'd be better researching thread fit specifications, if this is an important item, and use a thread fit specification. The same thing applies to things that a non-machinist may think of as subjective, like surface finish. In the machinist's language, these all have an objective, measurable specification associated with them.
I found that with my orders, especially the most recent one which was a 3.8mm diode pocket, I had to quality-control every part on my end after receipt. I ended up tossing 30% of the modules.
Of those 30%, a bunch of them were probably actually fine, but I just didn't feel they were perfect enough to sell. In my case, I'm bitching about 0.05mm of tolerance that they were off by. I ended up testing them all with a caliper on my end - annoying, but in my experience with EMS, worth doing.
I should have commented to the machinist MORE with added emphasis in my wording. But all in all, I'm still really happy with EMS. I mean, their software is easy to use, and they're affordable. They're slow, but if you're not in a rush, they're good.
The one final comment I'd have, is that EMS isn't "one shop". They're a company that contracts your work out to a machinist. So it's possible, in fact, it's highly likely, that my two orders from them have been made in completely different shops, potentially half way around the world from each other.
Just a few comments on the points in this post. First, and most important, thanks again for using us in the past, and I'm very glad your experiences were positive ones!
If you receive parts that are out of tolerance to the specs you specify, please let us know, and we will correct or remake them. We do have an extensive QC process, including using a CMM, and we want to have your parts right. Again, if a spec is tight and important, please be sure that this is specified in your drawing.
As to the actual manufacturing of your parts, you are only partially correct. We do have a rather sizeable manufacturing facility here, and we do CNC milling, CNC turning and CNC waterjet cutting in house. We do also use partner suppliers to manufacture some parts for our customers. This hybrid approach allows us to offer customers a wide range of tolerance, delivery time and price options. The bottom line is whoever makes the part, we strive to deliver it in the timeframe, to the quality standard and at the price requested by the customer.
Thanks for considering us, Jubathoph, and thanks for using us, rhd! Please don't hesitate to ask any other questions, and I'll do my best to give you a quick and accurate answer.
Gary
eMachineShop.com