The death of a Jetlaser

I am sorry to hear about your loss.

Why you guys hate jetlasers so much!

Any teeth marks?

Wow that really sucks. Sorry for your loss.

Liars will look away when asked a direct question. Some change the subject, or answer with a question, even do a little dance to misdirect. A person telling the truth will give you a very direct 'no' to your face.

Could it have been your parents? Bringing it back broken is kind of F'd up. It doesnt really make sense them breaking it and returning it. Its either one mean a$$hole, or someone that doesn't want you to have a working laser. I'd say the latter. Why take the chance at getting caught twice?

Hi Dustin, very sorry for your loss and don't be Too upset. The troublemaker might not be a laser hater. He may do it against himself.
Any HF pics of the broken lasers? The drivers are torn up and the crystal set is okay?
Maybe you can ship it back to us and we see if it can survive this ruin.

JETLASERS said:

Hi Dustin, very sorry for your loss and don't be Too upset. The troublemaker might not be a laser hater. He may do it against himself.
Any HF pics of the broken lasers? The drivers are torn up and the crystal set is okay?
Maybe you can ship it back to us and we see if it can survive this ruin.

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Wow that is some of the best customer service I've seen out of any of these laser companies!!! First the destroyed pl-a now this. :gj:

Well, convinced me to take a look at them. See how this works? I'm considering getting something from Jetlasers now.

My $.02. Somebody stole it, then tried to take it apart to 'see how it worked' and broke the hell out of it. Then returned it hoping you'd fix it or have it fixed, so they can try again..

Can you post a higher rez pic?

hakzaw1 said:

WL tries to pull that move. maybe some others-- they get a free testing and honest review. Asking for the return show that a Co, like that cares only about the bottom line.
For something costing several K I could understand, tho.

Sorry for your loss. somebody in your circle is a laser hater. real shame. I would meet w/ as many of the party goers that I could one-on-one and ask the right questions while looking for the poker face tells...

Liars are not as clever as they often think they are.

Once you eliminate the majority- meet with those left again.


sorry to hear all this.. not cool.

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I would think that if the reviewer had no personal investment in the product, no tic for tac, no quid pro quo, Then the review would be more honest?

What do you guys think? I am leaning towards the thought that an honest review needs to be done by a veteran who does NOT keep the laser or I think in the back of my head that the reviewer might be biased, either consciously or sub-consciously, to give the product a better review then would have happened otherwise.

Btw, I am not knocking those of you that keep your free several hundred dollar laser and then proceed to give a rave review of said several hundred dollar laser.

I am just saying.

Thengine said:

I would think that if the reviewer had no personal investment in the product, no tic for tac, no quid pro quo, Then the review would be more honest?

What do you guys think? I am leaning towards the thought that an honest review needs to be done by a veteran who does NOT keep the laser or I think in the back of my head that the reviewer might be biased, either consciously or sub-consciously, to give the product a better review then would have happened otherwise.

Btw, I am not knocking those of you that keep your free several hundred dollar laser and then proceed to give a rave review of said several hundred dollar laser.

I am just saying.

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Just because someone's a veteran doesn't mean they'll give a fair review.

Take wannaburn, for instance.

Quite a few of the better reviews have been done by noobs, not veterans.

In many ways, the 'noobs' are better subjects. They, unlike most of the veterans, try to keep an open mind when reviewing.

In regards to the laser, I believe the matter is being handled by PMs.

DLMB, sorry if you hate these things being pulled behind your back. But it was the least I could do for ya.

Also, he had an argument with someone a few days before, and they thought they'd gotten over it, so that's why the guy was invited.

Whoever did it most likely did it out of spite. Why else would they trash it, completely destroy the driver and host, then dump the bits on his doorstep?

I think reviews done by people who buy lasers of their own free will and review them are the best. I agree that if someone sends you a free laser, your going to be more inclined to overlook some flaws.

I have no qualms giving a bad review to crappy stuff-- and have done that.

If I say my review is unbiased -you can take that to the bank.

Some items get tested to the point of failure== maybe you can afford to do that but not me. But, I kiss nobodies ass.

btw I returned the 150mW that Jetl sent me.

All you have too look for is which one of your "pals" is wearing a brand new eyepatch.
He didn't take your laser safety goggles too did he? :crackup:
Sorry to hear about your bad luck bro, I hate thieves.

hakzaw1 said:

I have no qualms giving a bad review to crappy stuff-- and have done that.

If I say my review is unbiased -you can take that to the bank.

Some items get tested to the point of failure== maybe you can afford to do that but not me. But, I kiss nobodies ass.

btw I returned the 150mW that Jetl sent me.

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I am curious why you mention returning your 150mw laser? You clearly stated in another thread that in return jetlasers is sending you the much more expensive 250mw laser for you to review. You then stated that you fully intend to keep it.

It seems like you are trying to deceive us in this thread by leading us to believe that you have nothing to gain by a rave review because you returned the review laser. This leads me to believe that you are being deceptive in general when you don't include the whole story. It would have been much more honest if you had said:

btw I returned the 150mW that Jetl sent me and they are sending me a 250mw laser that I am going to review and keep.

Also when you say:

If I say my review is unbiased -you can take that to the bank.

Its like someone saying "Trust me, I would never lie to you.. If I say I always tell the truth then I do." Its faulty logic, there is no need for a statement of veracity.

It seems that your rave review on their 150mw laser has paid off because you now get a 250mw laser.. for free.

Like I said before I don't knock anyone for keeping their multi-hundred dollar review lasers, but just be honest about it and don't try to mislead us.

Deception makes me :yabbmad:

As always we need disclaimers in our posts so no one gets mad enough to give us bad rep, here is mine:

I am just saying.

The one problem I have with people reviewing free lasers is that, the companies can hand pick the laser they send, in hopes of giving the company a good name, (which I do not think is the case with Jet Lasers, they have shown to have excellent customer service). When reviewing a laser you should buy it from the company, do not let them know you are reviewing it and the you have a LPM. That way you will receive a laser anyone who else orders would receive.

Thengine said:

It seems like you are trying to deceive us in this thread by leading us to believe that you have nothing to gain by a rave review because you returned the review laser. This leads me to believe that you are being deceptive in general when you don't include the whole story. It would have been much more honest if you had said:

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Hey Thengine,
Analyzing and passing judgement is a merit anyway, esp. for other members in this forum.
But here Hakzaw1 didnot deceive anybody. I'm to prove that he never wants to keep the PL-C 150mw he first received but he's allowed to keep it, so does every reviewer. Then he insisted on shipping it back and the laser was shipped out from US last week and has arrived at China three days ago.

Regarding the jetlasers PL-C 250mw, the fact is that he didnot ask for any 250mw model after he shipped the PL-C 150mw back. We shipped one to him on the condition that he's organizing a GB, 250mw on the GB list. People who joined the GB might wanna see the review of more samples listed in the GB. He's also allowed to keep it and it's up to him to keep it or not.

Pilgor said:

The one problem I have with people reviewing free lasers is that, the companies can hand pick the laser they send, in hopes of giving the company a good name, (which I do not think is the case with Jet Lasers, they have shown to have excellent customer service). When reviewing a laser you should buy it from the company, do not let them know you are reviewing it and the you have a LPM. That way you will receive a laser anyone who else orders would receive.

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Hi, Pilgor, your concern is well understood and actually we also have the same concern over the review units. It will be great to come up with some suggestions for the review section that can do justice to every reviewer and laser seller. To play 100% fair seems to be difficult.

We‘re used to providing free lasers for review. The person who receives and reviews it is free to keep it or not. If he chooses to ship it back, we would like to pay the shipping. Honestly, we didnot have the time to hand pick any item, esp. the one for the Hakzaw1 and Ccd1. There are even some scratches on the finish since we did some drop tests on them. They were also the last few models of the current version, while the lasers for GB will be in the new hosts.:tinfoil: