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LED/photo diode laser power meter

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All right here it is, the "LED/photodiode laser power meter", the cheap way to check your lasers health.
By that I mean you can't see how many mW your laser has, but if it's still going strong. I haven't done this with a photodiode/resistor, but I don't see why that wouldn't work.

You will need:
DMM
Orange high brightness 3-10mm led, or a photo diode, Non coloured casing for either. Or maybe a photoresistor.
White paper
Plastic tube, around 10mm in diameter, and 10mm long
Some building materials for the jig. I use Lego's

The diode need to have a flat lens for better accuracy. You can just file them down.
The paper will diffuse the laser light and lower the brightness.
With the LED you will be able to check blu-rays blue and green lasers. With a photodiode you should be able to check any colour, including IR.
The jig will hold the laser on the same spot every time you check your laser, which is important. You may have to custom build your own jig.

Here are some pictures:

If your diode has a lens, then file it down so it looks like the one to the right.
meter012.jpg

Here's the unit. I use this one to check my blu-ray. Note the ring I've draw, that's the spot where I lase. It's just big enough to have room for the dot inside it. It's important that you always lase on the same spot between readings.
meter014.jpg

Seen from the side. You can see where the diode is located.
meter015-1.jpg

the whole set up.
meter016.jpg

Now testing. I get 19.6mV. My battery is low, I always get 22-23mV when the driver has 1.25V in references voltage.
meter017.jpg

Some shots in the dark. You can see how the white paper makes the light blue, with makes it possible for the LED to get a better reading.
blu_jig005.jpg

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If your laser is very bright, then the meter might reach ins full reading. To find out it's limit, take it out in the sun and use a magnifying glass and take a reading. Be careful now, don't start a fire. ;D
You might get just over 1V with a LED, I get 1.23V. That is the max possible reading. I don't know how many ohms you get with the photo diode/resistor, but whatever.
Now test with your laser, if it gets to the max or close, then you will need to add one or several diffusers with a few mm between them. It will be trial and error till you get it right.

Ok now you're done, just one last test. Take a reading and remember it. Then move the laser around and put it back and take a new reading. It should be the same, if so > Congrats, you got it right! :D

You can also check you meter so it won't give you a false reading by take a green LED and connecting it up to its own DDL driver.
Do it like this:
meter018.jpg

The blue thing is just ESD protection, shorting out the leads when not in use.
Snap the green LED in front of the meter and feed it with the same current every time. The LED current must be selected with a pot on the DDL driver so it won't over load the meter with to much light (blu-ray meter). Do not ever touch the pot when it's done!
Now, before you test you laser, you can also test the meter. ;)
LEDs are very reliable in light out put which is ideal for control. You can only use the LED you have chosen, so take care of it (hence the ESD protection) or make a one complete unit, which is even better.

A good tip when checking you laser, do it in the dark so no other light will mess with the readings.

And lastly, this is not a real power meter! It will only give you an idea how your laser will perform. If it's getting better or worse.
There is no guarantee that this will work well, but it does the job for me anyway. It's worth a shot IMO.

Have fun building your own!
 





I had a spare 5 minutes and a UV LED so I gave it a try and discovered that it will only detect blue ray beams, red and green will not effect the meter at all....

Very interesting idea FML, thanks for sharing :)

Regards rog8811
 
Whos here have a Laser Power Meter?
Will be nice try to do a realtion between Laser Color / mV Read / Power Read
 
thejunkmonger said:
Nice :) one day i'll get around to making one myself .:)
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rog8811 said:
I had a spare 5 minutes and a UV LED so I gave it a try and discovered that it will only detect blue ray beams, red and green will not effect the meter at all....

Very interesting idea FML, thanks for sharing :)

Regards rog8811
Yeah, try with an orange one instead. I don't know if it will detect a red laser though, I don't have one.
Glad you like it! :)

I don't have a power meter, but i suppose that you could calibrate it somehow. It's just that I have no idea if it will be linear.
 
I will be building a number of blue rays soon, it will be interesting to use this setup as a comparitor to see how the output varies between them....though I won't know the true output in mw.

Regards rog8811

*Edit I have red, green and yellow LED's in water clear housings, I may try them all some time.
 
Trust me, this thing is will not be as accurate as a power meter. You can use it to find out if your laser is in good condition (your laser's health as FireMyLaser said) by shinning it at the LED when it's brand new, then do it again after a period of time to see if the results have changed significantly.
 
Exactly. You can also see when your laser reaches it's peak. BTW, mine is quite accurate.
 
I'm not sure how accurate it can be, but there are too many factors which could change the results, maybe someone should compare this to a power meter just as a fun little experiment. The results might be shocking. :o ;D
 
chido said
Trust me, this thing is will not be as accurate
FML said
BTW, mine is quite accurate.
You are talking different accuracy here, chido is correctly pointing out that this will never tell you the true output. FML is saying that his repeatability is accurate...

Both correct then but at different levels ;)

Regards rog8811

maybe someone should compare this to a power meter just as a fun little experiment

Would be nice to know
 
It's fun to see all these new ideas coming. ;D
And one thing, don't be disappointed if this thing fails. Remember that it costs nothing... ish! [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]
 
rog8811 said:
I had a spare 5 minutes and a UV LED so I gave it a try and discovered that it will only detect blue ray beams, red and green will not effect the meter at all....

Very interesting idea FML, thanks for sharing :)

Regards rog8811

I'm surprised that the Blu-Ray worked with the UV LED at all. The photons from the laser roughly have to be of an energy greater than the bandgap energy for this to work. That means the photons hitting the LED have to be of a lower wavelength than the photons typically emitted by the LED for a voltage to be sensed across the LED. It did work for your Blu-Ray hitting a UV LED, so there must be some reason it is working. There are donor and acceptor states in the LED (there always are when things are doped, and they are always there in GaN regardless of intentional doping or not, that's just how gallium nitride is), so the violet of the Blu-Ray was probably enough to get some charge to jump with the help of those donor/acceptor levels, making it show a voltage without the electrons having to go through the whole bandgap. i don't know, but this may be why getting "close" to the bandgap energy worked.

But if you go to an IR LED, it should work with every visible color of laser light, as all photons in the visible range will have the energy to generate electron-hole pairs by exciting the electrons all the way through the bandgap, since they will have an energy greater than that of the bandgap of the LED.



rog8811 said:
chido said
Trust me, this thing is will not be as accurate
FML said
BTW, mine is quite accurate.
You are talking different accuracy here, chido is correctly pointing out that this will never tell you the true output. FML is saying that his repeatability is accurate...

Both correct then but at different levels ;)

Regards rog8811

Accuracy vs. precision. This tool can be precise and always give the same reading at the same settings, but it may not be accurate in that while it gives consistent readings, the readings are not correct. It may be precise, but it is not inherently accurate.
 
But it's a nice idea though.You can check for stability.Like the DX200 green which is known for it's instability.But it's probably not linear and mV readings will not be proportional to the actual power of the laser (in mW) which would be a shame.If you could split the beam to test it with a power meter at the same time and make two plots with mV over time and mW over time.If they'd look the same this could be improved and calibrated in the cheapest powermeter ever. :P
 
Its a nice setup for qualitative measurements. The response of the LED in resultant mV's or even mA's is not linear at all, but more means more light in either case to the point of saturation. I guess you should also care not to destory the led with more powerful lasers, though i think the diffusing paper takes care of that in this setup.

As for the blu-ray / uv-led thing: Most leds sold als 'uv' are actually around 405 nm, sometimes a little bit lower. Its still close enough to get some result from the blu ray as that's around 405 nm as well.

For green lasers i found orange leds to give the best results, but reds also work.
 
Here is some tests I made earlier. This was done with my x125 (green laser) straight into the LEDs without a diffuser.

880nm IR = 1v
Red = 1.7v
Orange = 1.9v
Yellow, yellow-green = 1.8v
Green, blue ~150mv
Violet ~10mv
385nm UV ~ 5mv

As you can see, green to UV suck! I don't get a very stable reading with them either.
 


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