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Liquid Laser- a scamming company to avoid

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Although no member may every be in contact with this company I still need to share what has happened.


Out of Boca Raton Fl. a company Liquid Lasers- has scammed one of our nicest Co. Rep/members Gray from JETLASERS and he very nearly scammed me as well-- beware of LIQUID LASER

His name is Sam something- he has used more than one last name-Stark-Schtark- Dino and maybe more--

he purchaced a few batteries from me with PPal- then he wrote that he wanted to place a HGE order but for now he needed a few dozen ASAP_

he wanted to go around PPal- I was reluctant but did not back out-- about that time I got another large order and did not have enough for Liquid Laser- and Sam's check had not arrived anyway-

He called me on the phone to ask if i would ship NOW as the check would surly be there asap- but although I may have done that,...

ATM I could not --not enough batteries to go with the check that was 'in the mail' the check never arrived as it was never sent and at the same time he claimed a large box of a few thoudand dollars worth of lasers arrived & Sam claimed it was empty-and he was pissed and Gray was concerned so he sent a second package-

this time Sam claims that JL is a scammer company and his box was empty -then he changed that to a claim the box contained only rocks-- he is a shitty lair and a dumb one too... as an empty box that should weigh ~ 8 pounds would be something the PO would notice afaik

so Paypal refunded the money (and you guys wonder why I hate PP) and Sam gets to keep both boxes of medical $$ expensive lasers- and the money too.

Liquid Laser
Sam IS the scammer
Liquid Laser
Sam IS the scammer
Liquid Laser
Sam IS the scammer and a thiefand a Liar and a bully.

this has been posted on a scammer website-

if you are in south Florida beware-- if you shake hands with this asshat better count your fingers after..

SAM STARK DINO Shtark is a very bad person==
 





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What a fucking douche. Not much I can say really, I hope the guy over at JL can make paypal look back over the case. You do have his address i'm guessing, get someone brave to confront him lol!
 
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Sorry to hear that man - I guess this goes to show you that when dealing with people you don't know always use a middle man. I guess that is a risk of buying/selling things can be considered illegal. For legal things I always have the PO or UPS inventory the items and pack them themselves...You pay extra for them boxing and shipping - but there is no arguments over what was shipped. For expensive trades - I don't think id ever do anything but use a middle man, whether it be a friend, or a post worker. I hope paypal makes this right.
 
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Sorry to hear that Hak. I hope Gray manages to sort something out with PP.:(

If you have his personal details please feel free to add them to the Scammers thead, or if you prefer just PM me his details and Ill do it. ATB:beer:
 
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if you have searched Liquid Laser you will find Sam- TBA i dont think paypal can reverse much- they already took the money from JL and gave it back.
btw the is NOTHING at all illegal about laser therapy lasers- and they were all that JL sold to this buyer.. I talked with him on the phone he called me= but what can you read with only a phone call- facial tells are easier than detecting deception by voice only - I was i had recorded the convo-- and had a voice stress analyzer. too late we know what he is..
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if you have searched Liquid Laser you will find Sam- TBA i dont think paypal can reverse much- they already took the money from JL and gave it back.
btw the is NOTHING at all illegal about laser therapy lasers- and they were all that JL sold to this buyer.. I talked with him on the phone he called me= but what can you read with only a phone call- facial tells are easier than detecting deception by voice only - I was i had recorded the convo-- and had a voice stress analyzer. too late we know what he is..
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if you have searched Liquid Laser you will find Sam-

True, but the idea was to avoid him coming here under a different alias to buy or sell lasers. Anyway your call.

TBA i dont think paypal can reverse much- they already took the money from JL and gave it back.

Unfortunately PP seems to be very buyer orientated and pig headed and why Im thinking of only gift payments for noobs /low post count, or unconfirmed buyers (ie ones without a smooth transaction history on LPF) when I start selling grooves...:thinking: :beer:
 
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Thanks for letting us know damn theres always basterds out there that stuff it up for the rest of the honest ppl. The rest of us get paranoid about sending cash to ppl we really don't know for a laser or batteries .i have sent large amounts of money to ppl In Australia i have talked too on the phone, i feel comfortable with. You have to have trust someone, you cant live expecting everyone is out there to rip you off, or you would never buy anything online its a sad state of affairs .But its great when you get the trust which comes quickly obviously when the laser appears or batteries etc. I have NKO29..Josh i trust in Australia, i would like to 100% trust others just threads like this, which are needed are reminders to be careful +1 when system will let me .

UOTE=hakzaw1;1241354]Although no member may every be in contact with this company I still need to share what has happened.


Out of Boca Raton Fl. a company Liquid Lasers- has scammed one of our nicest Co. Rep/members Gray from JETLASERS and he very nearly scammed me as well-- beware of LIQUID LASER

His name is Sam something- he has used more than one last name-Stark-Schtark- Dino and maybe more--

he purchaced a few batteries from me with PPal- then he wrote that he wanted to place a HGE order but for now he needed a few dozen ASAP_

he wanted to go around PPal- I was reluctant but did not back out-- about that time I got another large order and did not have enough for Liquid Laser- and Sam's check had not arrived anyway-

He called me on the phone to ask if i would ship NOW as the check would surly be there asap- but although I may have done that,...

ATM I could not --not enough batteries to go with the check that was 'in the mail' the check never arrived as it was never sent and at the same time he claimed a large box of a few thoudand dollars worth of lasers arrived & Sam claimed it was empty-and he was pissed and Gray was concerned so he sent a second package-

this time Sam claims that JL is a scammer company and his box was empty -then he changed that to a claim the box contained only rocks-- he is a shitty lair and a dumb one too... as an empty box that should weigh ~ 8 pounds would be something the PO would notice afaik

so Paypal refunded the money (and you guys wonder why I hate PP) and Sam gets to keep both boxes of medical $$ expensive lasers- and the money too.

Liquid Laser
Sam IS the scammer
Liquid Laser
Sam IS the scammer
Liquid Laser
Sam IS the scammer and a thiefand a Liar and a bully.

this has been posted on a scammer website-

if you are in south Florida beware-- if you shake hands with this asshat better count your fingers after..

SAM STARK DINO Shtark is a very bad person==[/QUOTE]
 
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True but PayPal is a pain fees etc but fast and convienent..but your right but as above if they have an excuse that sounds believeable the old cheque is in the mail etc well then, you either trust them or you don't. Its being politically correct that is a problem, ppl don't want to feel like its assumed they are going to rip you off. But what choice do we have trust no one really sad world.
 
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Cant' believe that this guy has the gall to post pictures of the Jetlaser PL-E pro's on his website. Such behavior really makes me want to :barf:. He should be ashamed.
 
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What a fucking douche. Not much I can say really, I hope the guy over at JL can make paypal look back over the case. You do have his address i'm guessing, get someone brave to confront him lol!

I'd be happy to confront him if someone would be willing to send me to Florida. I hate that people get away with sh$@ like this. Unfortuanatly peolple donget way with this across the globe everyday. It not fair and it f$cks things up for the rest.
 
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I'd be happy to confront him if someone would be willing to send me to Florida. I hate that people get away with sh$@ like this. Unfortuanatly peolple do get away with this across the globe everyday. It not fair and it f$cks things up for the rest.
Exactly my point gets to stage you don't trust anyone unless the cash is in your hand always . Basic common sense on some things but being ripped off by people on the same forum is immoral .Half the fun of the lasers is being able chat on a forum like this one about your lasers, we have had a few scammers of late not including this company to avoid.
 
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Wow....what a dick! I would never scam anyone, even with my low rep(don't know why Im low rep) :S

Anyway, who would do that to you or Gray? That's just childish.
 
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Hak,

I've come to find that anyone trying to circumvent legit established methods of payment are typically scammers. What's worse is that some of the worst offenders will pose as military personnel or have another legit sounding reason. Sorry to hear about JL but it's good to hear that you didn't fall victim.

To everyone on LPF, it's usually best to stay away from people trying to do business outside of PP. The fees are a pain, but losing a couple grand in product is much worse.
 




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